Proton launches Proton Meet (for everyone!)

From Proton site, Visionary includes Meet Professional.

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Dedicated app works better when you’re on the go and want to have voice calls. It’s basically Facetime but more private and secure with a chat feature.

People can think of it as Signal too but Signal is IM first. Perhaps Proton Meet can evolve into a far superior Teams app where it’s IM, voice calls, video calls, collaborative file sharing, etc. A lot of people outside of the US use WhatsApp for literally this because not everyone is going to pay for Teams. If Proton plays this well, there is so much more than Meet can do for Proton and could be a more deciding factor in people choosing Proton than anything else. I say this from an international POV.

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I am so glad Proton Meet is finally available for everyone, as I desperately need it right now with Brave Talk being so buggy.

That being said, it looks like Proton Meet is primarily aimed at businesses, which makes sense, but what about regular folks?

I also wish Proton had followed BraveTalk’s model. Limiting free meetings to 60 minutes is very limited. Why not make it unlimited and reduce the number of people who can be in a meeting?

A lot more questions remain.

Can someone who uses Proton Pass Plus subscribe to Proton Meet Professional?

It would seem so. Since Proton Meet is not part of Proton Unlimited, it is only available as an add-on. This proves that Proton always had the ability to allow users to subscribe to multiple services without having to create a second account (hello enshittification!).

What is unclear is if Proton Meet Professional is the same price for all paying Proton subscribers (Proton Mail Plus vs. Proton Unlimited). Either way, it’s too expensive for me. Meetings should not be limited in time in the free tier.

They can use it too. Free upto an hour. Paid add on for more features and options. For basic use its free.

Probably because they want to monetize it differently. Different subscription strategy I mean.

Not quite. Proton Meet is free. Proton Meet Plus (if that’s what it’s called, not sure yet) with additional eatures and functionality is paid.

Guess that’s how they’ve chosen to go about it. Obviously all plans and feature/functionality availability will be set such that it encourages paid add on.

What is not clear is that how one can anonymously add on Proton Meet to Proton Unlimited? Do we send cash the same way with the amount for Proton Meet subscription as we usually do or is the process different for add on subscriptions.

It is clearly primarily aimed at businesses, and my guess is if the free tier for regular folk is “too generous”, it makes it too easy for businesses to just use it instead. Still, that doesn’t make sense to me, because I would argue that most video conferencing apps, including Brave Talk, are primarily aimed at businesses. That’s where these companies will make most of their money.

And if Brave Talk can make their free tier unlimited in time, so can Proton. Most regular users will not host meetings with 50 people or even 10. But businesses will. If Proton gave unlimited time in their free tier, but limited it to 5 people, that would still compel business to upgrade. Especially if you put features like recording in the paid tier.

I am disappointed in Proton’s model. Be that as it may, since you don’t need an account to launch a meeting, you could theoretically, launch a new meeting every time you run out of time. Even so, I think it’s disappointing.

The cheapest paid tier is called Meet Professional.

IMO, it’s lame. It’s also lame that the timer starts the second the host creates the meeting, even though they are the only person in it.

Meetings require preparation. One of the companies I used to work for regularly hosted business meetings with clients and partners abroad that I needed to be a part of. They required that certain employees show up 30 min in advance to make sure all the technical stuff was working. That’s before the meeting has begun.

I have also personally hosted one on one business meeting on Brave Talk, and not only did I need to create the meeting link 30 minutes before it actually started, but it’s very common for people to be a few minutes late. Hence, why the time limitations are lame. With Proton, once you create the link, the meeting has started.

Although Proton cash payments are not anonymous, I assume the mechanism is the same.

Can’t wait to use it, but it sucks that Proton “Unlimited” has the same features as the free plan for Meet :confused: not that I’ll likely need anything more than 1 hour, but still

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There are some logical fallacies in your arguments here. You’re not holistically thinking about who and why one would need a Proton account anonymously.

For people reading, you should think more critically about these comments and arguments. They sound logical but are practically faulty in my view. And that Proton can be bought anonymously as I write this. Don’t let anyone let you think you can’t.

But I am currently too tired to engage with it at the moment.

Just know that you can still buy Proton Unlmited privately or anonymously from here: Digital Goods by ProxyStore

They are back on there.

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Practically faulty? So not faulty? So technically correct? I don’t get it.

Fair.

Proton vouchers in the Proxy Store are extremely limited, and one of these limitations is that they are exclusively for NEW Proton users, in other words, free users. Current subscribers cannot renew their Proton subscription via a purchase from the Proxy Store.

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Proton doesn’t miss an opportunity! :sweat_smile:

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@Proton_Team Sorry to bug you here, Can you tell your Marketing Team to re-take their marketing course?

Your latest Product i.e. Proton Meet and Proton Workspace, would not help Kitkat to prevent the breach, and no one uses a conferencing tool to chit-chat, really.

This kind of Misguided advert does not help your company.

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It’s not an ad. It’s just them jumping on a trendy thing online that serves no real purpose than to pile on the silly update KitKat made, just like other companies are doing.

This is how corporations think they can be funny.

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I would totally use Proton Meet to chit-chat. Many of my friends and family refuse to use Signal. Having the ability to just send them a link to join a meeting would make a positive difference because it requires less than signing up for something.

I have friends and family worldwide, and if Proton Meet is technically reliable, this would be a good way to talk to them. I also think Proton Meet has a great opportunity to invite attract newcomers to Proton services like Proton Mail and Proton Pass. However, IMO, that is only possible if the free tier is generous. I really think time should be unlimited.

Since I have not stumbled upon this info in my limited time here, I wanted to share that there are at least gift cards in their own shop, which you can add to your existing account balance, though they lack options to pay for them anonymously besides buying them from someone, who has bought them for you, I guess.

But yeah, no real solution.

Webex has a 40 min limit for free accounts, OpenTalk 30 min, so I think this 60min from Proton is quite fair. Though Webex has much more features. And OpenTalk is almost useless

Wow. Now I have two options to add my 7,99€/month “Unlimited” subscription. Meet +7,99€/month and Lumo for 9,99€/month.

They need to rename this “Unlimited” to “Limited”.

I thought this would be the sub that gets them all. This is just stupid to have so basic program outside Unlimited. I kind of understand that awful AI Lumo to be different but Meet is just like every other app and should be definately available to Unlimited users.

I just got 2- year Unlimited sub and I feel kind of cheated because now they add more apps outside the Unlimited and try to get more money.

Proton is really going to wrong direction with million different subs.

Are these services E2EE?

I was comparing to BraveTalk because it’s E2EE. I want Proton Meet to be as popular as Skype. Skype was widely used by regular folk, but also businesses. But like many legacy companies, they failed to use their incredible lead to prevent Zoom from taking over business meetings. You could argue that MS Teams is that competitor, but MS Teams is exclusively for businesses.
In my opinion Proton Meet should be more.

Skype’s free tier was extremely generous. They had no limitation in time, and the number of people you could have in a chat was large. And this was before they were purchased by MS.
In addition, Skype had very attractive paying features for regular folk like me. Mainly, they allowed you to make calls to landlines and cellphones for cheap. I miss having this feature, as there are currently not comparing services that offers that.

IMHO, Proton will fail to become popular with regular people if they don’t make time unlimited in their free tier. A regular person will never have 50 people in a meeting. Not even a small business owner. Hence, that is not a selling point for a regular person like me.

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See, many of your comments like this while detailed always in my view fail to account for why it is so. If you did, you’d easily realize a clear and obvious reason for it. The business model is different. Your comments while true also are not news because you’re only stating what’s been true and not adding any new info to the discourse of the topic.

Skype was generous because the business model was different. I’m guessing you know how? You are the product if its free.

Proton is different. Obviously they are going to make their plans such that if you use it semi regularly, buying it would make more sense. And it should.

Proton is also generous with other things. Free VPN for the quality, free basic but E2EE email, some cloud storage even if only limited but still should be more than enough to store your important documents, free basic docs and sheets. Even if you’re a college student, you can get by with all the free versions of Proton products even with Meet. I’m seeing their free plans as MacBook Neo. It’s fantastic for all your basic everyday needs. But if you’re relying or going to be relying on something for more, it would only make sense to upgrade. What’s wrong with that?

I’m saying all this because I am well aware of your views against Proton in several ways. In my view those are all personal. Not objective. I also say this because your comments while not incorrect, also sound like complaints. Being constructively critical is one thing but there’s nothing wrong in the way Proton is going about their business. It’s literally one of the best ways they can do it, considering big tech alternatives and their egregiously manipulative and unethical tactics (at the scale at which they do it at too).

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Definitely not all. I speak from experience.

Everything I said about Proton Meet is my opinion. It’s just an opinion and I stand by it.
I don’t see myself paying for Proton Meet anytime soon. I can’t see myself using their free version either because most of my scheduled conversations with friends, family, or work over Skype and Signal, tend to last over an hour. I think Proton Meet is likely to be very popular with business, but not with regular folk.

IMO, if they are not careful, Proton is going to become like Apple by making privacy a luxury that most can’t afford.

One person’s experience doesn’t make it generally true. But alright.. depends on many factors there but still, should work for most.

And in my opinion, if one is using all that Proton offers for their personal lives with other people, the subscription is well worth the price even when compared to “free” big tech alternatives.

Of course, Proton Meet has long ways to go before it becomes a proper Teams replacement but they are on the right track if they keep improving the feature set. Proton doesn’t have a chat app. It would only make sense to integrate it into Meet more fully where it literally works like Teams. Chat and Calls are both primary reasons to use the app. Right now, only audio & video calling appears to be the primary reason (as that’s what they are going for).