Seems like a very questionable decision on @Proton_Team end adding Zoom integration to Proton Calendar
Like that integrations seem to become a thing now at Proton but why on earth had it to be Zoom with their very bad history on e2ee lies.
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Also why they had to pull a microsoft like release and just enable this by default for all organisations. Thank you not.
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They have also been recommending against using Zoom for years. I recognise that many businesses use Zoom, so the integration probably exists for that reason. Still not a great look for Proton.
Less than a year ago:
2020:
2021:
Zoom having a history of blatantly lying about their encryption makes them way worse than your run of the mill privacy invasive software in my opinion.
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Don’t trust any company to much.
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The more time goes by, the more Proton makes completely absurd decisions: Proton Wallet, the forced integration of Proton Pass with SimpleLogin and the impossibility of deactivating synchronisation between the two services, and now the integration of Zoom, which is perhaps the worst decision of all, especially when privacy-friendly alternatives exist.
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Idk why they didn’t opt for https://meet.jit.si/ when it even performs better and smoother than Zoom, another bad decision by Proton, I can’t keep up with all of their BS.
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Yeah maybe it’s time to find another service.For email at least.
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I’m waiting for Tuta to release their Drive before “maybe” switching over for good, Proton are spreading themselves too thin, it’s unbearable.
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Good. Also does tuta allow for service signups after creating.
I dont think the problem is that they offer integrations. The issue i have is that they enable it by default and that they do not offer more privacy preserving alternatives.
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I honestly think it’s good overall.
Is zoom privacy respecting? No. But for many of us who have corporate jobs, we don’t have a choice at all, and are stuck with it.
If the zoom integration can have businesses switch from M365 + Zoom to Proton + Zoom, that’s a net positive in the right direction. As of now, Zoom is the de-facto video conferencing software, and targeting Jitsi for a first pass would likely lead to a lot less adoption. We can hope that if such an integration with Zoom is useful, it will open the door to privacy respecting alternatives.
But enabling by default is not as nice. By default, does that mean every calendar event created includes zoom by default?
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Yeah the fact that they seem to keep prioritizing quantity of services over quality is very annoying. I still can’t search the body of emails on the proton mobile app and I need a separate app (You Have Mail) to get notifications. To edit most account settings, I need to go to the website too. Truly absurd.
I think I’ll be moving on to mailbox.org once my subscription runs out. At least then I can have basic functionality with Thunderbird for Android.
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I am confused I thought zoom actually had proper E2EE and people were recommending it ever since, Anyone want to help me with their takes or what now?
Yeah the article about the lies goes back in 2020, It seems this was resolved now so I wouldn’t say Proton’s decision is necessarily bad.
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E2EE is not enabled by default, but “Enhanced Encryption” is. What is enhanced encryption? They store the private key on their servers. So not exactly E2EE
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Is it actually not?
Hmm sure but at least it’s an option and even Jitsi and OpenChat aren’t E2EE (by default). So again maybe it’s just my opinion but I would say this is fine.
Minor point but I believe Jitsi is E2EE by default when there are only 2 people in the call.
Literally on the first paragraph:
You can (…)
All you need to do is select the “End-to-end Encryption” option in the overflow menu and then make sure that all participants fill in the same pass word or phrase in the Key field.
Not
It is turned on by default
I know that it has the option that’s not my point really…
But as I said before basically…
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No need for that tone. I was looking lower down where it says:
P2P mode is only used for 1-to-1 meetings. In this case, audio and video are encrypted using DTLS-SRTP all the way from the sender to the receiver, even if they traverse network components like TURN servers.
I’m not an expert but this sounds like E2EE to me.
P2P is not E2EE
I know I may sound condescending and I’m sorry but basically it is what it is.
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