Your comment reminds me that Mullvad ought to change their wording on their downloads page:
“Transparency is paramount” should be the way. No?
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Well, I am licking my own spit and going back to 1Password. I was trusting Bitwarden for a long time, even ignored their lack of development speeds and ignoring autofill issues for years, but this. And no, Proton is not the solution.
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For you perhaps. “not a solution” would be better phrasing. Semantics matter sometimes.
Proton is still one of the only ones that allow you to pay and use it anonymously that offers all the features and quality of life improvements we all expect that offers excellent privacy and security.
Of course, 1Password is still great. It all depends on your threat model.
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It is not about threat model. It is a password manager, not life threatening subscription. BW, 1P and Proton have E2EE and zero knowledge, that is not the issue here. Bitwarden accepted VC money, but why? They already said that consumers are not their main income resource. They are getting main income from business clients and that 10 USD price from consumers were just a bonus. I was in the webinar with their management and I know what they said. Free users were never a concern because their cost was minimal, and already covered by the paying users.
If you wanna talk about Proton, yes, they are trying to compete with others, but considering they are not a newly founded startup with no funding and no knowledge about the market, I find their lack of features, disturbing. They couldn’t even manage to add features that Keepass has. Their main competitors are 1Password and Bitwarden, and look what they have accomplished so far.
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rolls eyes
I don’t think you understand what threat models are and why they exist, if this is your thinking. Not sure if you can even compute the concept.
Again, for you perhaps. I report in the Gulf sometimes. It bloody well is for me at times.
Please explain this. I don’t know what you’re talking about here. What features are not missing such that it’s not a usable product today?
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Does or did Bitwarden do something that would endanger self-hosting Bitwarden servers?
I can only see that they shift more to premium users, which is fine for me, but not if they go away from their “open source” system or make self-hosting harder/impossible.
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No integration with desktop app. No native messaging support for example. No categories, no item types. No biometric unlock on browsers. Same for Bitwarden except for biometric login on browser
Enlighten me. How is BW better than the Proton and 1Password? BW doesn’t even accept cash or crypto for anon payments. Proton accepts those, but if you use any other methods, even using voucher codes, your identity is known. That is what Proton support told me. 1Password is never about anonymity but still they have better security than the others. Examples, Proton limits security keys with 5 max, Bitwarden doesn’t even accept Windows Hello as passkey for some reason, and 1Password has this secret key on top of regular authentication methods, in addition to no limits of security keys.
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Are you referring to Proton Pass?
If I recall correctly it has biometric unlock available for paid plans.
Also it has item types too.
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Nope, biometric unlock is available only on desktop app, and not on browser extension. Also no communication between desktop app and browser extension.
As for item types in Proton, yes, they introduced item types, but everything is filtered under “custom items”, which has no meaning. My expectation was to introduce categories like in 1Password but instead they created labels without any content.
As part of this launch, we’re also introducing biometric authentication to our desktop apps for those with paid plans. Please note that you’ll need to be using the latest version of Proton Pass to access both features:
Android: 1.24.1
iOS: 1.12.2
Browser extensions / Web app: 1.21.2
macOS / Windows / Linux: 1.22
It seems that even the browser extensions have biometric support.
I have Proton Duo and I can assure you there is no biometric support, neither on Brave nor on Firefox, unless they changed something in last five mins.
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I’m not sure how they implemented it.
But your hardware, OS, browser and the extension need to support it and all use a library that all of them use.
So I could imagine that this only works for macOS or Windows.
Or that it only works with Chrome.
But this is just a speculation.
Didn’t read all comments fully, but this highlights Bitwarden bad framing of things. Let say this happened.
Senior exec: Hey, in the future we might want to remove the free plan or make it more basic ?
How it happen at Bitwarden:
Another exec: sure. let’s remove all wording that says it’s always free. ==> Big backlash.
How it happens at another company (Ente):
Another exec: Sure, let’s remove always free but specificy any existing user will be grandfathered in (that’s what they do for Ente Auth). ==> No big backlash.
