Skiff Pages/Drive (Productivity Tools)

[amilich (Andrew Milich)]

Another note:

Skiff Drive has every single feature in this list.

Remove Crypt.ee from "Cloud Storage"

Crypt.ee is a great product, but I believe that it should not be the top recommendation under Cloud Storage. Now that ProtonDrive clients are out on Android & iOS, we should revisit that section soon. For a cloud storage provider, Crypt.ee has few limitations compared to other options like Filen, Tresorit, etc. It doesn’t support all file types. File size is limited to just 500 MB, which is not the case with other providers. For photos, they store the EXIF creation time in plain text. This is…

[jonah (Jonah Aragon)]

Moving this discussion from Skiff Mail because this absolutely has to be considered separately.

[amilich (Andrew Milich)]

Sounds good! Happy to contribute. I think separating is a very useful idea given the questions at hand.

Also, preemptively covering that we’ve built many export features for files (pdf, doc, markdown), folders, etc.

[dngray (Daniel Gray)]

Yes, its looking quite good. I’d really like to see something officially about that audit so we can give it a higher ranking.

Just for interest, when about were you looking at doing that Cure53 audit you mentioned?

[OyeMate]

I believe the listing page is sorted alphabetically. It would be helpful to ensure consistency or clarify if different sections have different sorting methods.

After seeing the thread about Skiff mail and the lack of action regarding my original post about Cryptee, I am sadly beginning to question my trust in PrivacyGuide. At first, I never doubted their intention and even defended the team when others questioned the legitimacy of the listing. However, discovering the overlap between Techlore and PrivacyGuide’s teams, as well as Techlore’s interview with the founder, does not help.

Similar to the evaluation of Skiff, we should reevaluate and make an unbiased assessment of whether that product should be listed under Productivity tools for photos/videos and docs or under the Notebook section.

[dngray (Daniel Gray)]

@OyeMate

I believe the listing page is sorted alphabetically. It would be helpful to ensure consistency or clarify if different sections have different sorting methods.

We thought about that, but there is inherent value in being top, so we try to put the things which have the most overall coverage towards the top.

@OyeMate

After seeing the thread about Skiff mail and the lack of action regarding my original post about Cryptee

We do plan on shuffling that about, but have been working on other things of late, translations etc.

@OyeMate

At first, I never doubted their intention and even defended the team when others questioned the legitimacy of the listing. However, discovering the overlap between Techlore and PrivacyGuide’s teams, as well as Techlore’s interview with the founder, does not help.

That really has nothing to do with it.

@OyeMate

Similar to the evaluation of Skiff, we should reevaluate and make an unbiased assessment of whether that product should be listed under Productivity tools for photos/videos and docs or under the Notebook section.

We’re not saying it won’t be listed. If there was something we could link to regarding the audit/scope/when it took place and some of the source was in a tidier condition then we would certain give it preferential listing, as it would be a certainly a better product.

[jonah (Jonah Aragon)]

@dngray

some of the source

Worth noting that Skiff Pages/Drive is not open-source, which is another reason this has to be considered separately.

[amilich (Andrew Milich)]

I agree with ranking things by features/recommendation/security

[amilich (Andrew Milich)]

Just writing here to keep the thread alive. Any thoughts on listing Pages/Drive?

[OyeMate]

While it may not be a requirement, when is Skiff planning to open-source their drive apps?

[anon66296745]

Are they proprietary?

[amilich (Andrew Milich)]

We’ve been planning to open-source our other apps this spring and summer. We are only limited on engineering time right now.

[jonah (Jonah Aragon)]

We require both productivity tools and notebooks to be open-source, so I think it’s safe for me to mark this as rejected for not meeting the criteria for now.

[anonymous53]

Becoming open source can become the first listed Skiff product.
I am waiting for this to recommend Skiff Pages in my community.

[woodruff]

I’m trying to use Skiff Drive (I really like the idea of decentralized storage om IPFS) but they don’t offer any option to export all the data.

If you try to do a total export you get a message where you are told that the limit is 100MB.

I think it is very important for a drive to allow easy export of all documents (as well as, I think, a GDPR requirement).

[ph00lt0 (Mare Polaris)]

I think, a GDPR requirement

Can confirm, although you should take my word with a grain of salt, the privacy experts at Skiff have a different opinion on what is written in the law (irony).

[amilich (Andrew Milich)]

Before commenting, did you look at the existing export options?

Drive: ZIP, individual files, or folders.
Pages: PDF, Markdown, or individual files as they were uploaded.
Mail: Individual emails, multi-select emails, or an inbox. No special export app required.

What’s your issue, exactly?

[woodruff]

hello Andrew,
when I talk about exporting files I mean that it should be possible to export all your files in one click.

On Skiff Drive if I try to do this (select all the files and click ‘download’) it says the limit is 100MB as screenshot.

I’m well aware too that you can download every single file or folder but that’s not what the GDPR (and common sense I might add) says.

If there is some kind of ‘export’ in the settings I have not found it, I only find the ‘import’ setting.

[ph00lt0 (Mare Polaris)]

I was going to ask you to check, so thanks. This definetly is not sufficient.