Any data for that? Signal link is not a zoom substitute, and matrix is also not a zoom substitute. You seem to be confusing video conferencing with video calling.
For folks who actually want to see the organizations that use Proton, here are some links I found:
For sure. I think people who havenât committed a single useful piece of code envy others who did, so they get all pedantic to create drama. Half the folks in threads are not tech literate, majority of the other half are semi literate, which is worse since they think they know the tech stack well.
This, paired with the conspiracy theorists in the space, makes privacy space extremely unappealing to normal people. Adoption of ideology requires it to be perceived as acceptable and âcoolâ, and the folks pushing to ideology to be inclusive and open, some privacy advocates have done a great job to ensure it is none of that.
There is a reason younger generation still participates in hacking culture and/or counter culture spaces, but not in FOSS (famously lacking fresh blood as multiple leaders lament) and privacy. Heavy bureaucracy and clowns as public figures makes the image hard to sell.
If a hacker gets a big hit, they become an idol. If a privacy entity gets big, they get called a honeypot
Personally, it felt like a big invasion to see that button to create a Zoom meeting suddenly appear in my proton calendar.
Does the button in any way decrease your privacy? (this I ask seriously, I didnât check yet, maybe you know more). Or is it just that you donât want a button named âzoomâ or whatever? (This is partially teasing you wink wink).
There is a reason younger generation still participates in hacking culture and/or counter culture spaces, but not in FOSS (famously lacking fresh blood as multiple leaders lament) and privacy.
I am sad about this. I am a professional developer for about 15 years and I was always legitimately afraid to create a merge request. I do watch open source projects and communities (in general) and while I see a lot of good, I also see a lot of judgement or hostility when things are not according to some particular people (doesnât even have to be project maintainer)⌠Luckily I got over it quite recently and I started contributing code to one nice project. I will not tell which. It doesnât have anything to do with privacy, at least not directly.
Okay, I think I understand you. And I would lie if I said I donât mind at all myself. But we have to be pragmatic, and Proton have to be pragmatic. Especially when it âcostsâ us nothing (really just a stupid link in calendar that just sits there for us). At the very least we should wait and see, because if the strategy works and lot more people start using proton its a huge win for all of us.
Yeah, we should all use Matrix (which still lies about its encryption protocol after this) and jitsi (which literally gives up on e2ee, while zoom goes post quantum).
Also do someday look into what 8x8 collects on jitsi instances. I swear people LARP so hard without actual facts. FOSS is neither secure nor private. It is what it says on the label: Free and Open Source. Nothing else.
You are not the only one. I wrote significant parts of FOSS tooling for some projects, but it just got exhausting prodding them towards good practices. Linux rust efforts are also slow because of specific kind of people. Now I usually contribute to projects that focus only on code quality instead of idiocracy and elitism.
I think thatâs a very dismissive take. Many people here are paying Proton customers and absolutely have a right to have their own opinions and to criticize Protonâs decisions. Even if you arenât a paying customer, youâre entitled to an opinion, and Protonâs actions could influence your decision to become a customer in the future. Frankly, itâs ridiculous to say that people are just creating drama and especially that theyâd somehow only be entitled to do that if they contributed code.
I did not claim they should not criticize, you should not insinuate otherwise. They are free to criticize, I am free to criticize the serious lack of actual information and realist outlook in their criticism and call it drama baiting.
To be clear, people in the thread:
Wanted Proton to handicap themselves by not offering integrations with widely used enterprise software
Had wrong ideas about what viable alternatives are and how badly the competitorsâ encryption is
Had serious lack of information about the present status of zoom encryption
You are insinuating that people are maliciously creating drama for no reason, and that itâs rich of them to do so without contributing code. That completely ignores the fact that they are contributing by paying a monthly subscription.
No, that was the poster before me who called the Proton situation drama. I was commiserating about the privacy space as a whole. You seem to be hallucinating an argument which I did not make. The thing you referenced wasnât about this specific thread at all, clear to anyone who reads it with a fresh mind.
Tch tch, classic mistake of confusing all the discussion in a specific context with discussion about a specific context.
This sadly might just be how Zoom integrations in general work. Ideally Proton would hook into Zoom and allow an easy unsubscribe, but their assumption is likely âif you linked Zoom, you probably wanted toâ and an easy turn off from Proton wonât be here for a while. Wish it were better.
Just received an email from Proton, and they mentioned
Easily join video meetings
Joining a Zoom or Google Meet call is now easier than ever with a dedicated button. You can also quickly add meeting links directly from Proton Calendar.
â Learn more on our Support section
However, when testing out, still only Zoom is shown, so prob, it is still a WIP.
