I notice that Privacy Guides doesn’t cover video conferencing apps, properly because there’s no good option. I hope that Proton Meet proves its competency.
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I didn’t even know that Apple did, but that is how Brave Talk works. The only difference is that Brave Talk is not E2EE yet, and it’s very buggy, so this gives Proton an opportunity to take the lead in the video conferencing privacy market.
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From my few tests quality was good so far.
Fascinating enough but yes, Apple users can share a Facetime link. The video call quality is horrendous though (most likely to shame the recipient into switching over to an Apple device)
Perhaps. I do think there is room for a browser-based solution for enterprise, nonprofit, and even personal purposes.
Signal, while cross-platform, does not always have the best video quality and faces the issue of the network effect.
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Yes. Mozilla should throw their hat in the ring too.
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Thanks for sharing screenshots. I was going to share some myself and will here as well but I was happy to read your post and be able to play with it myself because you posted here and I missed the update about this early access. Haha!
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Seems like a cool new product, not something I will personally use too much. They still have a lot of work to do on there existing portfolio.
Agreed with Jonah’s comment that somebody there has obviously board the AI hype train.
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I mean.. has to be the leadership + majority of the board right? Just hope they approach it all in a more deliberate and intentional manner than willy nilly do things.
See, I wasn’t far off thinking they didn’t fork an existing tool.
With some inspecting of the web page, I saw that they also are planning Proton Sheets.
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Yep the sub domain is configured.
ok now that makes it better, I’ve been complaining about how we didnt have sheets for a year, if proton was going to release Proton Meet soon, it’s about time they did sheets. This is becoming a reality it seems.
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They confirmed it with a comment on this forum on the big Lumo thread when I complained. So it is indeed coming this year.
LiveKit is quite powerful future proof platform that it is used by OpenAI itself. So I think Proton is also thinking to integrate this real-time AI voice conversation features (of this platform) for Lumo.
Like in this video where famous cyber security expert talks he loose privacy while using OpenAI’s voice assistant, but he likes it so much he still use it: https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=DylXM7DPFRs&t=1255 (I set time 20:55). And I see people around me use it all the time as well.
I guess he would be super happy with new Proton Lumo Voice assistant instead. Maybe its bad that people are getting addicted? to it, but Proton would be (at least ‘confidential’) alternative of this with LiveKit.
This all 22 minute interview is very good, about important things, like anti-drone work he is doing.
Proton has put up more info: Proton Meet: Secure, end-to-end encrypted video conferencing | Proton
Mainly:
Proton Meet is available exclusively to Proton community members with Lifetime, Visionary and Enterprise plans during early access. If you are a large organization and would like to get early access to Meet, you can contact our sales team or your account manager.
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What are you hoping for from Proton?
I’m confused. What does Proton Meet have to do with AI? They’re not training the system with our data like Zoom does. If they are using AI, I’m gonna have to agree with @jonah too.
If Proton’s only concern with AI is privacy, I see that as a problem.
It’s about time they intergrate Standard Notes too.
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It has nothing to do with AI, and they are not using AI.
Proton Meet is just built on top of futuristic platform which advertise AI as their core feature at the moment (https://livekit.io/), but Proton don’t use that part and unlikely to use it for Proton Meet specifically in the near future.
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I see. Thanks for explaining.
This LiveKit possibilities resemble movie “Afraid (2024)”, where deepfake AI specifically video calls people acting as real people distorting reality (also hacks systems in the background, and mostly hacks human psychology) and spoiler: take over the world this way Afraid (2024) - IMDb
(movie has not great ratings, but I read the reviews and reviewers complain they expected a horror movie from the title and trailer, but got a movie which is too realistic instead).
Movie has some scenes promoting privacy like saying “If you’re wondering why a product is free… you’re the product” and similar.
Source code and builds of Proton Meet will need to be specifically thoroughly examined to make sure nothing nefarious is going on 
Kind of a positive - extra vigilant to make sure deep fake video calls like in the movie would not happen 
in real life. Extra reason to strengthen cyber security.
Bit of a tangent down below, but I wish they would do this too. I also wish they would fully export Simple Login functionalities into the Proton Pass service rather than keep them separate. It’s basically a sign in with Google type of thing… It just makes things more confusing to me because everything is so scattered. I genuinely do not know why there are no plans for doing so.
I also do not know why Lumo is not included in the Proton Unlimited bundle like other Proton services. The fact that Standard Notes has yet to be merged into the Proton ecosystem is also concerning. I feel that Proton is spreading itself too thin with all of these various other services. The ecosystem does not feel like an ecosystem.
There is no coherency with what they are planning, I feel like. For example, when they release Sheets, will there be a hub/homepage that combines Sheets and Docs? What about other office tools? Will there be an office suite homepage, or will they all just keep having their own, distinct homepages? I admire Proton for paving the way for consumer privacy, but they are focused too much on creating alternative products for privacy-invasive ones. They need to first properly integrate all of the tools that they have created and bought, otherwise they risk redundancy.
An example of redundancy that they have done is how they used the Standard Notes devs to build Proton Docs, or how they have only minimally integrated Simple Login into Proton Pass via the email alias functionality rather than fully merging them. To be fair, redundancy is a broad issue for technology that many companies have. Proton isn’t as bad as my nitpicks make it out to be, it’s just nitpicks. Still, it’s annoying.
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