Protecting your privacy on a relationship/friendship

So I was doing some tweaks to my threat model and randomly this question popped in my mind: “What if I get a relationship with someone who rejects privacy and could compromise my privacy but I don’t want to break up with them?”

Basically, how could you handle people that “breaks through” your threat model and without looking like a creep trying to protect and defend your privacy?

Forced to do a survey? How? Just say no?

I think it depends on how much you are willing to compromise, but I don’t think anyone will really understand what you think if you are not willing to speak up. let’s take my example: in my moments, everyone prefers to use Instagram Direct to communicate, as we all know, Instagram Direct is known for not having E2EE enabled by default and poor E2EE support, in this case, I continue to use Instagram Direct with E2EE enabled for my more distant friends, while I have successfully convinced my close friends to use Signal instead.

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The employee said “no”… Twice… In front of my friends. LOL

Even when you speak up you’ll look like a weirdo among non-tech-savvy people.

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Definitely that life lesson: You must be your own advocate. I sure have found it tough, throughout life, knowing when to be persistent, polite but remaining firm.

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Yeah, we must be strong! :flexed_biceps:

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To my mind, your options when dealing with “not privacy-conscious” (maybe a bit of a harsh way to describe them) people are:

  • You sacrifice some privacy to stay in touch/do activities with them.
  • You find a middle ground if you both are fine with that and are willing to do some extra work to interact with each other, perhaps starting with something like transitioning some activities to privacy-respecting alternatives.
  • You drop the relationship.

It heavily depends on your threat model and on the people you talk to. Some individuals are completely fine with, for example, installing a separate messaging app for just one person, while others are not.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but is this stance really that controversial? What difference does a privacy-conscious position have compared to something like being vegan?
Regardless, “non-tech-savvy people” and those who truly do not care about anything you believe in or value can see you as a weirdo either way, so who cares?

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If you do not want to look like a creep you should avoid telling them phrases like “threat model”. It is a concept not an every day phrase. What you can do is speak up. Tell them you do not like to give out your info, you get enough spam and trash ads as is. They know ads and spam, so you “attack” from that point of view.

Also you can hype them up showing them how you protect yourself from these things. Be useful with your knowledge to them. For example I set up custom DNS for my friend, he was happy about not seeing so many ads. Another was happy the cracked photoshop works again because I blocked adobe . io for them. Meanwhile I told them how I learned this and what they can do.

Teaching by example (and not preaching by nagging) is always a good way to deepen relationships, and more they know the more you get the privacy you want, as they understand your mindset better.

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I’ve found an approach that has so far been successful and not so “off-putting” or tinfoil hat sounding.

I start by stating that a new business model snuck up on us where they are capturing and selling our personal data. That those free applications we get, like email and games aren’t really free. We are paying for them by letting them monitor and capture all our private data.

Almost everyone has agreed that it is true.

I continue saying that I moved to a paid email account, mainly because I think it is too creepy losing so much privacy.

At this point I’ve received comments about how that makes sense. I stop there unless the person wants to hear more. They seem to understand that the things I am doing are sensible from that point on, even if they are unwilling to do the work required themselves.

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Oof. I’ve seen a lot of “undoxable” people get doxed because of females. Definetely the weakest link lol. You have to educate them even if it makes you look like a creep.

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I’m one of these people.

In fact my desire for relationships is the main thing influencing my threat model. I would even say being isolated in order to have digital privacy is completely 100% NOT worth it.

I have social media (Reddit and Discord), because I’m not interested in the “alternatives” populated by 10 people who are either political extremists (on any side) or “tech-savvy” people in tin foil hats. I tend to have no secrets on the internet; nothing has ever happened despite those kinds of “bad actors” being my primary threat model. I’ve even been curious about being a content creator.

On the other hand, I’m not tech savvy and I avoid this kind of material on purpose for my own sanity (I WOULD be either dead or living in terror of everything otherwise). I just look up sites like this periodically and follow guides.

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Oh and another thing, I would kind of think relationships would be one thing you DON’T bother to protect your privacy from.

I would say this is my current situation right now. Any suggestions on how to use Instagram with the least amount of privacy breached (aside from obvious things)

Use the webapp as much as possible and if you need to use the native app try to use Instagram Lite, but I’d personally use some sort of sandboxing for better privacy and give as less info as possible.