You are claiming things as excluded but in some cases your quoting completely different posts, or responses to different arguments, sometimes from different people.
Nothing about what you are saying gives context changes what you said.
This is still the most relevant part.
Nothing about this changes your prior statements from part 1. This is just you pivoting after realizing attaching CoMaps to Organic Maps reputation was a bad argument.
This is the part were actually debating over. Everything else you put is irrelevant. If you don’t think that, you misunderstood what I was saying. It doesn’t matter anyway, Arguing over our interpretations of another users post is off topic and honestly does not change much regardless.
Physical maps are basically available everywhere they have always been. They are probably even more widely available since you can purchase them online now. Yes, its less convenient then an app.
I like it. CoMap only asked me once to turn on location services. I declined and that was the end of it.
Organic Maps would have asked me 5 times within the first few minutes of it being installed.
I typically don’t need to know my location if I’m searching for a shop across town.
Edit: I should have waited a day or two before writing the above comment. CoMaps does ask me to turn on Location Services. I was about to go back to OSMAND until a thought occurred - deny location permission. That seems to have worked. Even after a reboot or force closing the app there is no popup. Easy enough to enable location permission once or twice a year that I need routing.
My case is not really against recommending CoMaps; my point is more that I have yet to see a compelling case for recommending CoMaps.
I can’t quite understand the argument that the track record of Organic Maps is a reason to remove it, yet the same track record which you say applies to CoMaps is a reason to recommend that.
tell me one good reason why Organic Maps shouldn’t be replaced by CoMaps (and no, beeing listed on an app store with 33 apps, which doesn’t accept new apps is not a good reason)
one might not recommend a project, because it has no track record. like the project only existed for a certain amount of time and it has to exist for longer. in that sense CoMaps existed for a long time, because it contains part of the history of Maps[.]me and part of the history of Organic Maps
one might recommend a project, because it is a fork of another project. like the new project was forked from the old project for certain reasons. in that sense CoMaps was forked from Organic Maps and Organic Maps before from Maps[.]me. in both cases with good/valid reasons
so when i read this:
and this is the good case (the rest is irrelevant):
i would argue that the track record of Organic Maps (the reasons why it was forked) might be good reasons for delisting it and the track record of CoMaps (the project itself goes back to Maps[.]me) might be enough track record as a project to list it
For the same reason that Vichy France isn’t the same as the modern fifth French Republic. Organic Maps’ bad track record is reflective of their dictatorial leadership and not reflective of the rest of the community (now CoMaps) who opposed said bad actions. I don’t see what’s so hard to understand.
Even if you retain a fair percentage of contributors from the original project, that fork was created because visions around technical directions and/or governance wasn’t aligned. So despite the fork having a clone of what the original community built up to that point, you still need to see how the new modus operandi evolves as real work begins to happen. This is less about trusting the code or intentions of those building comaps who are likely trying to do a good thing. The receipts of what actually happens will come as we monitor happenings in the community and what changes get prioritized, who does the actual work, etc…
I speak from someone who was a community builder for a distributed query engine project built in Facebook that forked with the folks who made the original engine but Facebook had ubilateral power over the trademark and paid the salaries of the creators at the time. When they went off to build it and quit Facebook the Fork immediately got a lot of good traction. It ultimately has become the proper open source fork, but it has had hiccups along the way that could have easily rendered it unsuccessful.
We dont know what the outcome of comaps will be, it looks promising so go ahead and try it of you stumble across this, but it shouldn’t be rexommended in my book officially until it has proper vetting and we see how the incentive structures play out between both projects.
PG folk just want to avoid thrashing the community to change their app every 5 months as most normal humans (not me) don’t like doing that and gaining the trust of less technical folk to make their terrible privacy a little better will do more for all of us rather than placing bets on the latest fork that is keeping the incumbent OSS projects on their toes.
So as much as I and many others have had great experience with comaps I am happy to share its a great app go try it but gove PG time to watch the community develop. At some point it likely will become a valuable replacement.
My frustration with all OSM-based apps like CoMaps and OM is that the map consistency varies way too much between regions. OSM apparently works great in Europe and Japan. It seems like some parts of the US too? In my city it’s completely ass and it doesn’t have any addresses that I’ve tried. It seems that the solution is for me to be a type of Google maps car and fill out the map data for my city for OSM? That’s a hard ask.
OSM is collaborative, so get involved. If you see a restaurant, shop, missing house number, etc., add it. Contribute and don’t expect people to do everything for you.
Organic Maps/CoMaps also make it easy to add places, click the menu, click add place, pick the coordinates you’re in and write the information. StreetComplete is literally like Pokemon Go but surveying existing places, both help with significantly contributing to openstreetmap
It’s mostly small tweaks and UI / UX stuff. But the small tweaks have made it significantly more usable in my opinion. One thing is the graphical display for turn by turn navigation. In organic maps the name of the next turn instruction is displayed in tiny text at the top that I literally could not read. Co maps has a modern looking and legible display that’s easy to read. There are other changes I’ve noticed and really appreciated, I just can’t recall them all right now. I would just download it and use it for a while. It’s basically organic maps but a little better.
This is fair. There is no comparing osm maps to something like google or even here wego. That is not my criteria for selecting a product though. Of course google maps is a more complete and polished product. They have harvested billions of dollars of user data and used it to pay devs and drivers to complete their data set. But using google isn’t even remotely an option for me, so I pick the best reputable F(L)OSS option available. Sure I might have to spend a couple minutes figuring out how to get somewhere, but I sleep better at night knowing the creeps who run these tech companies don’t know every single thing about my life (literally).
