Welcoming beginners to the privacy community

Hello everyone!

As some astute readers have noticed, we are now having people self-select how well versed you personally feel you are in the topics discussed on this site.

You can change your selected experience level at any time by visiting https://discuss.privacyguides.net/my/preferences/profile, and this setting will slightly change your experience on this forum:

What’s new: The “Please ELI5” tag

In the Questions category, we have a new please-eli5 tag you can select when posting a new question. The intent of this tag is to indicate to readers that you may not have full background knowledge in the topic you’re asking about.

When you see this tag on a question, you are encouraged to:

  • Not make assumptions about a person’s knowledge
  • Not use acronyms or jargon that outsiders wouldn’t recognize
  • Provide background context and explain the why behind your answer
  • Explain core concepts in simple terms (for example, you could use analogies)

You are not expected to withhold information you think would be “too difficult” for someone to do, if it is the correct answer to their question.

You should avoid turning these questions into debates about things which are commonly debated by “privacy community insiders,” or veering off topic. People who consistently are unable to be respectful and courteous to our beginner members will be asked by the team to refrain from answering these please-eli5 questions in the future, at our discretion.

:information_source: In the near future, we will make changes to make this tag more visually prominent on questions, and will give people replying to these questions an automatic reminder of these guidelines.

Questions posted by people who self-select as “beginners” will have this tag added automatically to all questions, because I would not expect a beginner to be the most well versed in our forum’s tagging system. At this time, this is the only automated action taken based on your personal experience level selection.

If you selected intermediate or advanced you can still choose to add this tag to questions you post, optionally, because we are not all experts in every field.

What else: Self-selected experience levels

If you click a profile picture on this forum and the user has self-selected an experience level, this will be displayed on the pop-up card.

Note we did not let people self-select a term like “expert” and left it to a more neutral “advanced” instead, because these claims are a reflection of how you would like to be treated by others on the forum, not an indication of your skill level. You can use these terms on other people’s profiles to judge how you want to address them.

Noteworthy people in the privacy space will continue to be marked as @verified, @developers, @media, @brands, etc. through a separate verification process by the team.

One additional benefit is that those who select “beginner” can optionally choose a Beginner title to be displayed next to their usernames on posts. You can select an option from your available titles in your settings at https://discuss.privacyguides.net/my/preferences/account

A new title is not available for those who choose intermediate or advanced, because our existing forum titles like Regular, Helper, etc. are more informative for non-beginner users.

What is not planned

At this time, choosing intermediate or advanced has no bearing on your forum experience whatsoever, and I do not expect we will create private forum sections “for only advanced users” or anything like this. The value of this community is derived from having all of these discussions publicly in the open, so closing off discussions to an inside/elite group of “advanced” users is not in the cards at this time.

We reserve the right to do something with these two other levels in the future, but for now they are again essentially an indication of how you would like to be spoken to on this forum.

Additionally, I do not have plans to add a please-eli5 to any other section besides Questions for now, and I hope that our other discussions can generally be guided a bit by “beginner” terminology and notes on user profile cards without needing an explicit please-eli5 tag on other topics, but if we see areas where we can further improve the experience for beginners in the future we may consider expanding this a bit.

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Hello Jonah,

Thank you for this on behalf of all newcomers. Especially rewarding to see a pledge becoming concrete action. Koodos again.

Gnarleyeh

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I will still stand strong on my suggestion to prevent mislabeling or lying, I don’t think letting users pick is a great idea still, with that said I have to agree, the self selected experience level should not have any bearing on the forum experience but all the more reason to turn experience level into more of an automated system based on user’s activity (like how I suggested) rather than a self select of options.

I like the idea of Please ELI5, yes it may be abused too but it is something I will believe more than the self picked Experience Levels of a user. But I will and none will take experience level at face value not even mine despite being on the honest side. until it becomes something like based on activity inspired more or less by VRChat’s Trust system

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Instead of beginners can’t we just call them n00bs?

That’s a very lowkey gaming slang word to be used in a privacy forum lol.

Referring to them as “beginners” is more respectful and universal. For me the word “noob” sounds like if someone is dumb or stupid.

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I suggest you reading this article.

How visible is please-eli5 in a post? It would probably be useful to have it trigger a banner similar to the “first comment” banner, or a coloured box like the red moderation box when a post was under review.

Likewise, the Beginner title would also be more useful if it’s a bright contrasting colour that draws your attention to it.

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As a beginner, I think this is an excellent idea! Thank you!

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Base on the on-going discussion in another thread Why is Experience Level required? - #76 by TinFoilHat, may I ask whether it is possible to add a brief guide about the toggle in that menu?

The current description(?) of that menu does not reflect the intent, usage and implication of that option, nor guiding users to pick the one that suits them the best.

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I read this this morning, and needed to think for 2min what does ELI5 mean. :joy:
So yes, maybe not obvious for non-native english speakers. I guess I just saw it less often than YMMV, FYI, AFAIK etc…but I just found it funny to not give the full meaning of the acronym. :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:


As for a potential solution to this, why not automating the thing rather than suppressing it? We could crawl common acronyms and help users that way. :+1:t2:
IMO, this is a good way to go, LMK your opinions on it.

Yes! :100:

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Had to look it up ! SO, more than 2 min !!

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LOL okay good point I should change this

Slightly offtopic question

Hi Jonah. I could not find how to get my post approved in the guidelines. It is slightly confusing for a new user to see posts held back for moderation and then not see the reason for it being dropped. I made one post, it was held for approval and then no feedback but it seems to be dropped. Tried it again. Would be happy to understand what did I miss. Here is the story I was trying to post, don’t care about the karma if someone else posts it too: Apple has locked my Apple ID, and I have no recourse. A plea for help | Hacker News

I also could not find how to message you in DMs, I think it would help to point new users to moderator DMs for redressal. Maybe it does, and I missed it, and you can help here too. Thanks again.