Doesn’t signal have to do this as well? They clearly state on their privacy policy:
Other instances where Signal may need to share your data
- To meet any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request.
The thing that people forget is that Telegram can access data and doesn’t want to comply with the law, whereas Signal, like any other company, has to comply with the law, except that they can’t access data.
There’s a difference between wanting to and being able to, Telegram can but hasn’t wanted to cooperate and Signal is cooperating with the law but can’t provide the data.
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They only have two non-E2EE pieces of data, Unix timestamps for when each account was created and the date that each account last connected to the Signal service. Signal >> Government Communication
See this However much they care or don't care about it, the salience of this NDSS paper i... | Hacker News for this feature
Telegram can access messages in clear and has not wanted to give out the exchanges, whereas Signal cannot access them or give a history of conversations.
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Why did you link me to this?
All I can see is a comment where someone is simping for Signal, then a comment where someone is being reasonable, and then a comment where someone is simping for Telegram. What was the point of this link?
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It’s about the study you linked.
Yeah, this guy that is one of many Signal stans.
Not true, SimpleX and Tor are decentralized, it much harder to controls all nodes, unlike Signal which is centralized. Signal or AWS can trivially do it if they want to.
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Irrelevant to decentralization, and they are planning on supporting it.
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answered in point 3
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There are Server transparency.
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Signal-Server code not public since April 22 2020 (Last commit on codebase) and Proper secure value security: PINs are too easy to brute force, SGX is not reliable enough
Your info about SimpleX Chat is very outdated. Stating that Signal is centralized is a true fact and they stopped caring that much about improving their client & protocol security, there’s a reason why a lot of people that care about client security & privacy use Molly.
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Molly developers are also working on this: GitHub - mollyim/sweetlies-server: Server prototype for hosting a private Signal network.
What’s different about the servers Molly works on and Signal’s?
Signal’s source code: code over the wall.
Molly’s source code: actually usable and useful.
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I don’t understand the meaning of this sentence, even with DeepL “code over the wall”. Can you elaborate?
What I meant is that even if you can see the code, it’s useless.
OK, I thought that Signal’s servers, as well as being open source, were easily reproducible etc. I’m thinking of switching to Molly for good.
Signal doesn’t provide reproducible builds on iOS.
I do know why, but last time I brought that up, I was categorized as “an apple hater.”
Using SGX gives a false sense of security, you clearly didn’t read the post. I will refrain from continuing this discussion as you don’t have any constructive discussion skills, resorting to ad hominem attacks and jumping to other arguments that is completely irrelevant like Email when I just proved your that your point is wrong lmao. If you have a better solution other than saying SimpleX Chat will never succeed for some ““reasons”” then enlighten us, because Signal will probably not survive that long thanks for their centralized nature. There’s a reason Email and XMPP still exist today, even IRC but not centralized messaging apps when they are not making enough profit off user data.
I already shared some of Signal’s problems According to Elon Musk, Signal has "known vulnerabilities that are not being addressed" - #14 by jerm not to mention their insecure Multi-device support algorithm, which SimpleX Chat refuses to copy, because it doesn’t meet their app’s security standards. My post shows how Signal doesn’t not care at all about end point security and consider it out of their scope.
No point in arguing with Signal stans.
OK, thanks for the clarification, I’m rather disappointed, I was expecting other things from Signal, I don’t understand why they don’t go along with Molly, especially as on their forum I see quite a few discussions revolving around that.