Now I am looking at this service, and for the reason I listed above I do think it’s out of scope and shouldn’t be listed, in my opinion.
To me it does not really matter if you and @Niek-de-Wilde can confirm this is a good service. I think all of our recommendations need to be “auditable” by all readers, and we accomplish this by having discussions and explanations on our site in plain English so that readers can see why we list something, and by recommending services with documentation in plain English that readers can cross-reference with our site.
What if Dubline becomes worse in the future, who is going to notice? Maybe you two, but how long will it take? In this case only a small subset of our readers can audit the service for changes.
When everybody has the capability to audit services for changes, we hear about those problems virtually immediately. Historically this concept has worked out and the community has been very on top of things.
I don’t want to put more on anyone’s plate, but I’d be more interested in pursuing the possibility of you both creating a sister Dutch-language organization along the lines of what I was outlining above, that has its own team/criteria/research/community separate from PG, if you thought there was much interest for that in your own country. We don’t need everything under the PG umbrella, but we can certainly do cross-promotion and technical work for an other-language group doing its own thing.
Well my opinion about that service only applies if we agree with my opinion about this thread, so idk lol
@Niek-de-Wilde true, and I also don’t think it’s an issue to write about services we don’t recommend in a section where we can add an adequate explanation, like the blog. If someone wanted to write a how to set up Dubline article without adding it as a recommendation, I think that’d probably be fine.
As someone who had to share about the book surveillance capitalism but my mom never understood english in the first place, It would be nice to be able to have community translations. I was kind of forced to share it with google translate to greek for her to read.
Of course I will agree on recommending local alternatives, like for example, privacy.com to recommend something that works and has no KYC (or more precise, we make it that no kyc is preffered) that works outside of the US
But that’s my take
Edit: nvm it already exists, I’ll be on it then!
Edit 2: sent request
We can also approach it not from the lens of US vs non US people, but whether certain recommendations are currently only available in certain regions e.g. US only, EU only, etc. By default, I always presume that the solutions can be used globally unless stated otherwise (similar to the payment masking services atm.)
Only when the solutions become too many due to the service only available in specific countries, we have 2 options: either make the criteria more restrictive, or have a drop down option to select (not sure if it’s feasible. It’s just an idea) from the currently available solutions we have, which country where the service is available you’d like to explore.
Didn’t realize this though, could change my mind. I was only looking at it at a glance on my phone to see how it relates to this discussion in particular.
yes I agree
since privacy.com has kyc, we can make the criteria “No KYC is preferred” and add european working ones with card masking like revolut, also warning users that it and privacy.com do require kyc so for those in higher threat models should not use it
