Remove Skiff

If you need the criteria to be adapted to fit your goal of removing Skiff, then it isn’t criteria. It’s your biases.

Adding my vote to remove Skiff. They are nowhere near the quality standards that their competitors bring.

Their software is a buggy mess and it is clear that they do not hold the same values that privacy advocates aspire to be.

Security is a slow process not something to be rushed.

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At least until issues will be resolved

You are misunderstanding. The criteria should be improved upon to avoid mistakes like skiff being added to the website. That is something different.

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They are now migrating to something called Notion (https://www.notion.so) without saying a word and they are deleting their Discord channel. How professional…

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Obviously approved with today’s news (Skiff – Migrating your data) and just needs a PR to remove them from the site now. I’m out & just on my phone right now so I’ll post more about this later— because we should brainstorm a better filter for companies like Skiff in the future certainly :grimacing:

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Hi there :wave: Team from Forward Email here!

We just submitted a PR to remove Skiff for you (including assets/images) at https://github.com/privacyguides/privacyguides.org/pull/2398.

Separately, we have a PR open to add Forward Email at https://github.com/privacyguides/privacyguides.org/pull/2358.

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Whoa. This is super unfortunate. But also quite a problem for those who use @skiff.com or their masked emails for a lot of their accounts. w
We should definitely warn people to start changing any possible credentials with that.

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They have taken the blog posts down.

But all of this confirms one theory tho. Often companies that grow fast try to scale up so they can sell out at some point. It should be a red flag.

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Now, I have no reason to use Skiff anymore. Moving to Proton (already have an account).

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yeah so… how do we want to say that in a criteria that could be followed in the future? or we could just add “no bad vibes” to the criteria lol

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Seems like Skiff has been purchased by Notion. Just received an email from Skiff and here is part of the email:
“As we begin to shift focus to our shared efforts with Notion, we will be closing down Skiff’s product suite after a 6-month sunset period We are deeply appreciative of the trust users have extended to us, and we are committed to honoring that trust by ensuring that all data on Skiff is easily exportable. For the next 6 months, Skiff services will continue to operate without disruption, and users can freely duplicate, migrate, or export data. You can now also set up a forwarding address to redirect mail to any other provider.”

Probably a solid reason to remove them from PrivacyGuides.

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Damn, I figured they’d sell eventually but a 6 month timeline for shut down instead of maintaining the service is wild.

I also thought they’d pivot to some kind of 365/MS Loop offering between Skiff Pages and email.

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I’m surprised that the audit didn’t determine that to be a flaw, so between that and still sending marketing emails to people’s recovery addresses.

I really dislike these these kind of blog posts. CTemplar did that for a while and I do clearly remember pulling them up on that.

As we begin to shift focus to our shared efforts with Notion, we will be closing down Skiff’s product suite after a 6-month sunset period We are deeply appreciative of the trust users have extended to us, and we are committed to honoring that trust by ensuring that all data on Skiff is easily exportable. For the next 6 months, Skiff services will continue to operate without disruption, and users can freely duplicate, migrate, or export data. You can now also set up a forwarding address to redirect mail to any other provider.

I wonder if their VC decided the current model was unsustainable. There must be a reason in which they don’t want to just continue the product as is. I wrote this in the other thread:

I suspect the other reason maybe that Notion thinks they can do a better job with marketing, which I certainly think improvements there could have been made. Unfortunately rather than having someone with that background certain people were wearing multiple hats.

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Did Skiff ever release a copy of there Audits? I note on reddit they would go quite when asked about Audits.

No, I asked repeatedly and they threw out that not all providers eg Proton release full audits and only letters of attestation.

iirc they never released anything to indicate the feedback from Trail of Bits.

I haven’t forgotten about this, it’s #1 on my to-do list to check out.

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Thanks for confirming. I note there Audit from Cure 53 was also never posted.

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i’m kinda confused about the current situation of skiff. notion acquired them (which is a company not so good for privacy) so what is going to happen to all of our data now? they did have a clause about acquisitions in their privacy policy iirc so is all of it going to be transferred to notion now? they do say that it’s gonna be e2ee but not everyone communicated with other skiff users, so will notion be able to read all of our emails now? and are they closing down their email and drive services too or is it just the pages?

They seem to be wrapping up the service in order to turn it into something else, their website states:

As we begin to shift focus to our shared efforts with Notion, we will be closing down Skiff’s product suite after a 6-month sunset period We are deeply appreciative of the trust users have extended to us, and we are committed to honoring that trust by ensuring that all data on Skiff is easily exportable. For the next 6 months, Skiff services will continue to operate without disruption, and users can freely duplicate, migrate, or export data. You can now also set up a forwarding address to redirect mail to any other provider.

No, it’s just that they aren’t continuing the service.

They mention “the suite” so I would take that as all products.