Discussion of the legal logistics of the death of a family member is not only off-topic but also a fairly pointless discussion to have since the details are extremely jurisdiction specific.
Please remain focused on the topic as outlined in the initial post.
Discussion of the legal logistics of the death of a family member is not only off-topic but also a fairly pointless discussion to have since the details are extremely jurisdiction specific.
Please remain focused on the topic as outlined in the initial post.
Sorry to say, but it very on-topic given the context of the feature, but much of the preceding content appeared to fairly off-topic. Iām confused by your decision here as I felt I was pushing the thread back on-topic with actual discussion of the feature itself.
I attempted to DM this first before posting ITT, but does not appear you accept DM as an admin.
Edit: I now see my post was restored. Thx
I never said that anyone should do that. I specifically said that in the scenarios that I described, the children already have legal and authorized access to their parentās bank account while they are alive and well.
Meaning that the parents intentionally planned for this. They shared their bank account credentials with their children, had a serious conversation with them, and told them: If anything happens to me, access my account and do this. They did not wait for tragedy to happen to grant their children emergency access.
Who said anything about fraud?
Adult children can have power of attorney on their parentsā account even when they are alive and well, if the parent has authorized it. That means the children are named on their parents account and have their own profile on their parentās bank account when they log in from their own devices.
While their parents are alive and well, they can physically go to the bank, speak to the teller and tell them, I want to take $300 from my momās account. The teller will see that they have authorization and let them do exactly that. I have quite a few friends who are in this very situation.
Of course. I donāt deny that it can be risky and trust can be abused. But there are families for whom what I described works, and it is not illegal. The suggestion I am making is obviously not for everybody. I also know children who took advantage of their parents trust.
I have Proton Unlimited and love it.
I find it difficult to comprehend why someone would go through multiple subscriptions rather than just pay the paltry extra for a single account, particularly when you get the full suite of apps.
Can I suggest that, rather than criticising Proton for being āgreedyā, you just āsuck it upā and enjoy their brilliant, full suite, service. Problem solved!
Afterall, they are entitled to make a quidā¦
He uses 3 products: Proton Mail, Proton Pass, and Standard Notes.
Here are the pricing per year:
Proton Mail Plus: $47.88
Proton Pass Plus: $35.88
Standard Notes: $90
The total amount he currently pays per year: $173.76
Your suggestion:
Proton Unlimited: $119.88
Standard Notes: $90
The total amount: $209.88
The answer is to save $209.88 - $173.76 = $36.12 per year.
He does not have the need to use all the features in the Unlimited plan. And the Unlimited plan does not include Standard Note, which is something he wants to use.
Fair point.
But I fail to see why a Standard Notes subscription is being brought into the equation.
I have other paid services I use too, but they donāt factor in this discussion, IMHO.
Itās because Standard Notes is also a Proton product. Proton owns Standard Notes, itās listed under the āProductsā section on their homepage (https://proton.me/)
Ok, but again, that has nothing to do with multiple Proton subs vs. an Unlimited sub.
If he had an Unlimited sub he would have access to Proton Docs via Proton Drive. I have never used Standard Notes beyond the original trial, but surely in this case, the relative merits on Proton Docs vs. Standard Notes and the perceived need for multiple secure note taking apps. would be more beneficial.
For me, itās extra attack surface. I donāt know how big of a concern it is with respect to how itās implemented, however I have high hopes for Proton to continue down the road of approaching an alternative to all of Google services. I would think that the more things are added over time, the more difficult it will be to keep things secure and unbreakable, the same way code that has more and more features becomes harder to think about. Sometimes multiple rewrites are important not just to simplify things but to eliminate points of failure, or ways that it can crash.
It seems that some people like it and want it, though I couldnāt read all of the back and forth, and some people donāt. Iād rather see Proton producing other things such as end to end encrypted push notification services. I donāt know how they would break into that market but it was stated as one of their goals.
I think maybe I just donāt know how itās implemented and if itās a separate process that runs on itās own and gives password access or if is integrated into services and needs to be accounted for every time they add a new product, if it can serve as a back door to decryption by legal order now or in the future.
To quote Andy Yen, āOne day, we will be hackedā
Maybe read how it is implemented before making assumptions?
People I get missing things, we are humans, but being outright lazy to the point of spreading misinformation is crazy.
No company, no network no nothing is robust enough to never be hacked. Anyone who claims to be you should probably avoid doing business with. The game is not to not get hacked but to make sure you layer your security in such way that the impact stays limited.
A heated discussion between Proton cult followers versus those that openly ādareā to think for themselves and be critic of some of their weird choices Very off-topic.
But to the point, I read the news when they launched the emergency access, and Iām afraid I wonāt use it. It doesnāt help me since none on my close family have a Proton account. And even if they open one just for this, they might just forget about it many years from now when the time comes, so the end result would be the same. Not only because Proton disables āinactiveā free accounts but also because that since they wonāt use it, many years down the road they might not even remember or have the credentials to access it.
Iām not concerned about my wife since I share a password manager with her and she has access to all my credentials (i know thatās not normal but we have built such a strong relationship that allows for this).
However, if we both die together (or within a short time frame) I do need to make sure that my kids or my siblings have access to my passwords (and the encryption keys of some of my sensitive data).
Unfortunately, the way Proton decided to implement emergency access doesnāt solve that for me.
Iām curious as how are other people handling this? Maybe some ideas might help.