Privacy: For Sale

New video by Reject Convenience. Worth a watch!

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Every video from Reject Convenience is worth a watch. TheyÂą make assume content.

1: not sure if he has a team behind him.

If they were a community member here, they would more more accurate in some things they say in the video. It’s not 100% accurate as I see it. But considering how horrendous other creators are with assessing and evaluating tech and privacy related info, Reject Convenience does a great job overall still.

But seeing their personal recommendations in the video other than Proton, it is clear nonetheless that they don’t know it all and need to learn more to even better recommend tools to people.

What is not accurate?

Perhaps that wasn’t the right word to use. I am conflating accurate for right (again, as I see it).

They have not once accounted for threat modeling, and other key reasons for Proton is actually chosen over other “private” options like Startmail.

Also, they say Proton copied Startmail with aliasing. That’s not true because Proton began doing it only after they acquired Simplelogin. But also, aliasing is not a new idea/concept. Did StartMail invent it?

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They have not once accounted for threat modeling

That’s a point, however they said that they design the video so even people that are not Gen z, Gen Alpha and older people who never worked with tech or are in tech understand it.
So I would assume the threat model is the threat model of an average person without any specific needs.

Also, they say Proton copied Startmail with aliasing. That’s not true because Proton began doing it only after they acquired Simplelogin. But also, aliasing is not a new idea/concept. Did StartMail invent it?

Fair point.

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Still a much better video and assessment of all things compared to other creators but I feel when you’re talking about privacy and whatnot, be accurate if not what’s the point, you know?

Because anyone (like they did like everyone else about thinking Proton is non profit in the traditional sense when it was always clear who and what they were) can think and feel what they are saying is accurate and may end up making decisions accordingly (which may not be the right one).

Never heard of this YouTuber, but I look forward to watching this video.

They also have this channel:

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Now this is good stuff, damn. Thanks for sharing.

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He’s making a whole lot of steel man arguments here, but I think he’s getting hung up on the technical semantics of corporate governance. Mozilla and Signal operate the exact same way, a nonprofit foundation owning a for profit arm, which floats cash back. If a journalist uses “nonprofit” as shorthand, it’s perfectly normal and not a big deal. But precision matters too, and ideally you want to do that. I don’t think it’s the end of the world, I think it’s getting a little too close into :index_pointing_up::nerd_face: actually territory, but that’s just me.

On the nonprofit financials criticism, it can be valid, but it’s not a dealbreaker. Swiss law operates differently than US law for foundation disclosure. The Proton Foundation is legally registered as a nonprofit and audited under Swiss foundation standards. They also publish transparency reports on law enforcement requests and commit 1% of revenue to grants. Different disclosure framework than US nonprofits, but the mission protection is the same. Unless you think Andy is spending all the cash on custom Lumo themed beanie babies he wants to invest in, I don’t see this as an issue personally.

Offtopic: Gen Alpha is the current generation, born after ~2010.

By old people, you actually mean baby boomers and the silent generation.

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Thanks for noticing. I actually meant Gen Alpha and instead of putting old people in the brackets I wanted to make an “,” or “and”.