Most parts of which are also outdated. Few remain valid.
Madaidan should update those posts right away. They’re technical enough know which parts need update. You should write to them if you are acquainted with them.
Since these are posts popular & shared often in privacy communities, most unassuming folks walk away thinking it is some unfiltered, honest-to-God truth. This does more harm than good, and I so I personally consider those as disinfo/malinfo.
Not their fault readers cant see this:
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Very weird to call it disinformation adjacent. Madaidans doesn’t seem active anyway, I think privsec(.)dev has more updated info.
As everyone should really 
So much personal grudge lol, maybe you should disclaim your statements about anyone graphene adjacent.
If tomorrow all PG maintainers stop existing, and 2 years later someone uses old guides somewhere, would it be fine to call PG misinformation? Very entitled to expect constant maintenance from someone who is providing something for free with clear dates about when it was last updated. By this metric, 90% of FOSS projects are currently spreading misinformation via their wikis and knowledge bases.
I am also almost 100% sure PG has some not updated information not caught by community yet. Does this mean PG is liable for spreading misinfo despite clearly writing the last updated time below each page (especially with a larger team and regular donations)?
Such as…? (Genuine question)
Can you explain please ?
Yes. What’s the stigma with misinfo/malinfo? I didn’t call it disinfo, deliberately.
Unnecessary.
The context is, folks keeps sharing Madaidan’s post repeatedly without knowing a second thing about AOSP. Madaidan themselves are very capable to know what’s outdated and yet choose to leave all that information up, without any disclaimers.
Besides, like with most statistics, you made one yourself up. That is disinfo.
No one is holding Madaidan “liable”. Why are you so worked up? That page is doing more harm than good. How hard is that for you, as an outsider/observer, to accept? I don’t get.
For all its issues, PG at least takes inputs from the community and is open to changes. This is what I requested OP do as well do with Madaidan’s post. Contact them and have it updated.
It is very weird to see it being shared as often as it is. Also, “last updated March 2022” really doesn’t mean that document is accurate upto AOSP releases until March 2022 (see my point about misinfo).
I’ve asked Madaidan’s to update their posts (elsewhere on some forum) but I guess that didn’t happen, for whatever reason.
No, it would not be. Your definition of the word does not make the word harmless. There is no intention to deceive or mislead.
Affiliations are important to consider according to your other posts, but not here. How convenient.
This is an argument anti privacy folks use. “Tool is misused by folks who do not understand the tool so the tool is bad”. How is Madaidan responsible for idiots not knowing how to read? The context does not matter here, your accusation does. As additional “context”, the statistic was based on the heuristic of 80:20. A cursory search shows that even among top 2000 most popular projects on github, almost 15% were abandoned: [1906.08058] On the abandonment and survival of open source projects: An empirical investigation. I am sure the percentage only goes up as platforms for search and number of projects analysed goes up.
Saying his blog is disinfo is terrible coming from a foss dev. You have promised new version for almost a year now, is that disinfo? You keep blaming European and American grants for discrimination because you are from India, without considering that they may find other projects merit more help, is that not misinformation? You keep blaming Sweden for a law you know nothing about, is that not active maligning? You keep complaining on Hackernews about PG “censorship”, is that not harming this project? I genuinely don’t understand the point you made here. Accusations are a liability imposed on the person, which have to be disproved or it risks spreading baseless accusations.
Yes, because PG is active with multiple team members. Madaidan has abandoned the relevant repos. Insufferable this comparison. Should have donated more if you wanted them to be more active. They actively tell the user its old, how is it their fault the user is an idiot.
Ask the ones sharing for a more recent source? Write a blog proving the points wrong? Idk do something instead of asking more free labor.
You still have not said what exactly is wrong in the blog. Please point out with sources. Will help madaidan improve the blog if they ever decide to update it, or you can link to it the next time you argue with someone who cannot read timestamps.
“Misinformation is incorrect or misleading information. Misinformation and disinformation are not interchangeable terms: misinformation can exist with or without specific malicious intent…” (from).
Of course, but you said “personal grudge”.
You literally assumed since the post was “last updated March 2022”, it was at least accurate up until then. I pointed out that it isn’t. Does that make you an idiot, just like the others you look down upon?
Accusation? Encourage you to grab hold of any AOSP developer and ask them if Madaidan’s post holds.
“Made up” is what it is. Besides, there’s a reason folks don’t use outdated software. My point was, why keep sharing outdated post?
I said misinfo. Just as you wouldn’t use outdated FOSS/software, call it a security liability; or outdated cryptography, call it a privacy nightmare; what’s the equivalent term you’d call a blog post repeatedly shared around these parts, despite its age? You give it a name, and I’ll happily use it from now on.
A grant body literally said that they didn’t give us £5k because we aren’t in Europe or don’t benefit Europe in anyway (despite us showing them that Google tells us that 15%+ downloads on the Play Store are from Germany, the second largest after the US; while according to our infrastructure provider, EU IPs are the 3rd largest user of our resolvers, outside of China & Iran). That’s okay, as the fund was EU tax payers money. It may not look like discrimination to you, but it does to us, as our ask was low (£5k) to only cover costs for EU traffic.
Anyways, this is offtopic. You can DM me or create a topic on our subreddit.
When I got in touch with Mullvad co-founder, even they admitted to not knowing much about the law other than what their legal counsel told them. The thing is, those folks are more honest about the threats such laws pose.
So? I’ll call PG out on their misgivings just as I called out Madaidan’s unfortunately popular but outdated post. You seem to think I’m attacking Madaidan but I really am only commenting on this singular post on Android (not their entire “blog” or whatever).
See above, the point about outdated FOSS projects as a liability, an analogy you seem to understand, so I hope you get the point as well.
No one’s here to argue.
Asking them to update post isn’t asking for free labor. The least they could do, if they cared, is to archive it or take it down. I mentioned I already spoke with Madaidan once elsewhere about this very same thing.
Yes, and there is no intent to mislead, dear wordsmith.
Your assertions seem so unprincipled and keep changing based on the camp you like. Just clear up the above before calling the post wrong again.
Your accusation, your burden of proof. The last time you were asked for proof you said “its a personal device admin app I used, can’t share…”, and before that you misrepresented what Mullvad team member said to you (I have seen the thread on hn and followed up too). Heavy on accusations, light on proof based on past evidence. Stop hiding behind “previous AOSP tinkerer here”…
Moving these posts here just became a complete mess which was impossible to follow. These posts really don’t meet the standards of this forum regardless of pressure from members to keep them.
Is this directed at me? Because if so there is no need, I have zero conflict of interest with GrapheneOS or any other privacy project for the record. Not sure where this idea would even come from.
I’m not sure how I feel about this topic being closed overnight…we’ll have to discuss this further as a team 