Network location implementation available on GrapheneOS (Apple’s location service)

From their Mastodon

This release adds an opt-in GrapheneOS network location client providing location detection based on nearby Wi-Fi networks using a local trilateration algorithm run on the device. It fetches a list of nearby Wi-Fi networks from Apple’s location service either directly or through a GrapheneOS proxy.

We’re in the process of building our own network location database based on scraping all of the cell tower and Wi-Fi data from Apple’s service. Scraping all the cell tower data is quick and will be easy to keep rapidly updated. A contributor scraped more than 2 billion Wi-Fi APs over 3 months.

This data isn’t copyrightable and Apple freely offers it without requiring authentication. It will be the initial basis for our database, but we’ll add other sources including an option to send us data from GrapheneOS devices. We’ll provide database downloads to support offline network location.

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I was going to post this but I’m not convinced this relates much to security or privacy, definitely a nice quality of life feature though.

I understood it as a privacy feature since your network location could now be proxied. There is a strong chance I don’t fully understand the concept though.

Can someone explain what this means?

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@Parish2555 @blibly: What it means is that GrapheneOS devices can use nearby Wi-Fi networks to detect your location, instead of only relying on GPS.

It does this by comparing Wi-Fi networks close to you with a database provided by Apple (optionally accessed via a GrapheneOS proxy).

It isn’t a privacy location improvement, but it is a quality-of-life improvement. Apple and Google phones use Wi-Fi (and I think cell towers?) for triangulating your location in addition to (or instead of) GPS because actual GPS signals take some time to lock and use more power. Real GPS is also fairly unreliable, especially in urban environments and indoors, because it requires line of sight to the sky and tall buildings can interfere with it.

Now GrapheneOS can do it too :+1:

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Once there is support for storing a database of APs locally, then it will be a more private than traditional network location. It still won’t be more or less private than pure GNSS though.

It’s a privacy improvement over opting into Google Play Services network based location services, which probably many GrapheneOS users use to get better location accuracy/speed.

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I was saying it does not hide your location from the apps you are using, like was implied by someone above that it might be able to spoof your location to somewhere else.