I don’t think it’s “done”, but this is a step in a direction against privacy. It’s certainly no worse than Google Chrome. Perhaps they will retract or rephrase their legalese to some degree, but I’d argue trust is broken for what we should expect out of them.
But you have FF alternatives like Floorp, Mullvad Browser, Librewolf - so if you like the Firefox base, you should use them instead.
yea, it seems I will stop using FF for now, was just looking at Mullvad, and also came across Floorp somewhere but it seems it isn’t mentioned on this site as a recommendation.
Should not be the only reason you discount it, and does not by default mean it is a bad product.
I like it, many others do too - and you have an actual organization behind maintaining it. It’s not a bad option - give it a try and decide for yourself.
yea the trust thing is the major issue here, but still would like to give them the benefit of the doubt since they’ve been providing privacy for such a long time. Let’s see how things turn out.
Yea hadn’t discounted it just yet, I was just saying that since we are on this site rn.
Another new video by Brodie Robertson with some more analysis:
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They removed the confusing Acceptable Use Policy (which never applied to Firefox) mention in the Term of Use, just specifying that certain other conditions might apply if you use Mozilla services, including Mozilla Sync.
If You Use Certain Optional Firefox Features or Services, There are Additional Terms
Some Services in Firefox Require a Mozilla Account
If you want to use certain services like sync, you’ll need a Mozilla account. To create a Mozilla account, you will also need to agree to the Terms of Service and Privacy Notice for Mozilla accounts.
Other Optional Services
Some features in Firefox require you to opt in to them specifically. In order to use them, you will need to agree to the specific Terms and Privacy Notice for each service you use.
Also, the controversial clause now reads
You Give Mozilla Certain Rights and Permissions
You give Mozilla the rights necessary to operate Firefox. This includes processing your data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice. It also includes a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox. This does not give Mozilla any ownership in that content.
There are other terms, and the policy isn’t written in legalese, so I encourage everyone to read it
Overall, the updated wording is reassuring, and while some deplore that you need ToS to use a browser, the community backlash forced Mozilla to listen. But credit where is due to Mozilla for listening to its community.
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I guess I am going to stop using vanilla FF as well. I am getting tired of their shenanigans. They need a better blog post writer and fire the current one but this is my breaking point. Frankly I don’t care anymore.
Maybe we should let FF sort of die. 
We still need something to rise of out the ashes of Mozilla though in the same way that Netscape’s death gave us Firefox. In their own words. we need something better that Mozilla.
I wonder if Mullvad Browser and Tor Browser can stand on their own legs though. Both of them I still believe in.
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It’s worth mentioning that “doing as you request” refers to scenarios like Search Suggestions, where your search terms are sent to your default search engine or opening a new tab, where the New Tab page displays ads. This is a rather loose definition of “request”; it refers to what the Firefox client requests, which the user may not be aware of.
But the terms of use are much better and limited in some way now.
Louis Rossmann of course made a video on this fiasco too. The last section of the video are particularly on point.
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Mozilla rewrites Firefox’s Terms of Use after user backlash Mozilla rewrites Firefox's Terms of Use after user backlash | TechCrunch
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I dont think Gecko / FF can survive with only a small team like Mullvad and TOR, esp. when they dont monetize the browser.
Another update? Geez… what a shitshow.
Not another update. This post Mozilla's new Terms of Use causes confusion among Firefox users - #54 by TinFoilHat is reffering what was on 28.02
It was already mentioned in this thread.
Ahh, yeah you are right, my bad, it refers to the same TOU mentioned by @basenote 's post #30
sorry for missing out that post a big portion of this thread.
Things spiraled a lot fast this past week with this issue - bound to miss some things.
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But they just confirmed one more time, that they do not sell, but share your data? That was well-known before, why so confusions? You can not even create an account without Mozilla immediately sharing your email to 3rd party.
Some more videos I found on this issue - if anyone is still interested in more analysis and commentary on it.
The Linux Experiment also posts his views on this for anyone interested:
