for now, Firefox remains in my view the most private browser thanks to allowing uBlock Origin to be powerful, and the local translation，among other things.
However, I will probably “install” Arkenfox again to be sure I am not caught by some new firefox tracking in the future.
Give me one. I don’t remember Brave or even Google Chrome ever had an abusive terms like Firefox currently has.
Yes, I also watched this video. But I don’t think it’s comparable, between granting a limited data set (Chrome) vs may gather “all data types” (Firefox)…
I recommend everyone to read Sarah Jamie Lewis thought on this through her few posts following the main post.
Has anyone reproduced Mullvad Browser binaries from source? Thinking of daily-driving it but trust is hard to come by.
I feel almost the exact same way as you do. I always tried to be optimist when it comes to Mozilla, and especially Firefox (and Thunderbird, before it’s comeback), even considering how they always seem to miss the mark and (accidentally, it seems) alienate faithful users, but now I’m honestly not so sure that what the future holds is good.
At the very least, I hope that forks can continue doing what they do best (e.g. LibreWolf, Zen Browser).
For now, I’ll stay in Firefox+Arkenfox as I prefer the workflow and powerful uBlock Origin support. But depending on how things go from here, I might have to jump to a fork. And if Ladybird proves itself as a viable alternative, or I can’t use a Firefox fork for some reason and have to hop onto Brave, I might just have to (reluctantly) say goodbye to Firefox and the Gecko engine.
So Mental Outlaw dropped a video about this!
Why does Firefox needs a ToS to you use the browser if you could perfectly do exactly the same thing without that?
Written from Firefox, for the last time.
Another update:
I don’t have any value to add to this thread, but, I would like to share my feelings on this issue.
Important question I have, Is privacy guides going to revise their browser recommendation?
We’ll have to wait and see what really ends up happening and how. Everyone is still processing what this means and the implications at large.
Quite better…?
i like this: “in some places definitions of selling data are TOO BROAD”
then give example of a “broad” definition: “one company cannot in any way transmit user’s data to another company for profit”
How is it too broad?? that’s exactly what I want. Actually i’d even drop the “for profit” part.
If they need to sell those recommendations feedback to stay afloat - why not make another amending agreement on top of the base one that allows processing (and even selling) just that particular data.
So when you download firefox - you autoaccept the base “no sell, no process” ToS, but when you first start it - the greeter gives you an optional additional ToS that allows processing/selling that very specific type of input/data.
Here’s another great video I found talking about and explaining things better I think people may find useful:
Mozilla put a foot so far into their mouth they became an Ouroborus. I’m absolutely flabbergasted at how incredibly mid-aligned they are with the people who use their browser. I knew that was somewhat the case, but they truly are broadcasting how inept they are about this core product.
I’m halting my donations to Mozilla and shoving them to Ladybird as I believe there is more of a future there than there is with Firefox now.
Probably going to keep using FireFox and monitor the state of things with the forum before jumping ship, but it’s starting to feel like the Titanic for privacy.
Just wanted to know, do these apply to other services by Mozilla like Thunderbird too?
We’re/they are talking about Firefox. Not Thunderbird. So, no.
I’m personally taking this as a sign to finally fully move to Brave for all primary and secondary browser use/needs and see how that works out for me. I still have FF installed and am using its PWAs for select compartmentalized web apps.
Alright, thank you very much 
btw so is firefox truly done and should we switch or not?
unfortunately Ladybird is only scheduled to go Alpha in mid 2026, not even close to stable, and not even targeting windows (probably bigger user base).
It’s nice as a symbol of bright future, but it won’t be a fully functional viable alternative for a long time. that if they don’t change over that time to be same as mozilla…
Don’t make any reactionary decisions yet unless you know why you want to move away from FF if this was the straw that broke your trust in them.
At this stage, today, as I write this - there is no conclusive answer to what you’re asking. It depends on your preference. But keep monitoring what happens and you can decide later.
But I am moving away for the time being to try something different full time and see how it works out for me.
