An email service without calendar is pretty pointless, no?
not really, I moved my calendar synced to nextcloud so… Honestly if not for moving away from Proton, I would’ve taken the deal
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Well, it’s not ideal and feels like an incomplete product. No other service does email and not provide calendar. It’s an important part of the toolkit.
If you don’t think it’s not pointless, I disagree.
I said not really as in it depends for sure
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I have never used a calender next tot my email lol.
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I suppose I am living very differently than others. My life runs through/via my calendar. It helps me be on track for the things I need to do everyday and having it with my email helps to stay collaborative with others.
I feel it’s a core part of an email service.
Beyond sending and receiving appointment invitations via email I don’t see what email and calendar have to do with each other. Does Signal need to build in a calendar now because Outlook does?
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It’s exactly this though, this is a standardized format for cross-calendar interoperability. A Google Workspace user can invite me (my Proton mailbox) to a Google Calendar event and the email I get in Proton will let me manage the entire event through Proton Calendar.
We’ve been using CryptPad Calendar (which does not integrate with other providers at all) at Privacy Guides for a bit, and to be honest it is pretty annoying and will probably be a reason we switch.
I guess it just depends on whether you use a calendar to manage your own personal time, or if you use a calendar to manage events with other people.
Its both for me. And I’ve found using your calendar to manage your tasks and daily activities, personal or not, is the best way to ensure you’re on track. To do lists and whatnot don’t do much and sit there with me procrastinating. Unless it’s not in my calendar, I ain’t doing it.
It’s odd but I even “schedule” down time in there or any outings I have coming up. Its the simplest way to manage your time and keep track of what’s what and when.
I use calendars to manage events with friends/family but I don’t use email with it and have never really felt the need to. We just share calendars and events with each other…without email being involved.
At work, I use email to send and receive invitations because that’s just how people communicate at work, but if that weren’t the culture I’m not sure I would choose to do that.
for meetings?
How else would you keep track of what’s happening when and with whom if not via calendar and emails to go along with it for inevitable follow ups and related correspondence before or after the meeting?
Well at work I mostly communicate with the same people all the time, and we all use the same calendar system, so I would probably rather just receive a notification on my calendar rather than clutter up my inbox. I also would rather not use email for communication at all if I could. Which is exactly how I use my personal email most of the time.
Pretty sure email probably is involved here behind the scenes. Unless you mean you just tell the date/time to everyone and everyone manually enters it in to their own respective calendars I guess.
Well, no actually. With family, we all have access to each others’ calendars because they’re shared with each other. We also have a separate calendar for things everyone needs to be aware of/events. With friends, I often don’t schedule things in advance so I haven’t had much need for calendars. I don’t typically communicate with either of these groups via email so it wouldn’t make sense to use it for scheduling events anyway.
This is my situation as well. Until the last few months , I’ve never used the same service provider for e-mail and my calendar. More recently I’ve started using a calendar and mail from the same provider (only at work).
Apart from that I’ve used various calendars over the years (etar on Android, the stock iOS calendar on iOS, Lightning in Thunderbird, Proton Calendar at times, paper calendars). I never used Google Calendar, and I don’t work in a corporate setting, so I think that maybe I was never really conditioned to depend heavily on a calendar being highly integrated into my digital life.
I can totally see how people could integrate calendar+mail more deeply into their workflows and digital life and come to rely heavily on the integration. But personally, I don’t, and haven’t felt much need to. So I wouldn’t say I consider a calendar from the same provider to be a necessary part of e-mail. My current provider doesn’t have a calendar afaik, and I’ve never felt that was a downside. But my usage (or e-mail, and especially of calendar apps) is pretty basic and minimal.
Even if you do use email in an integrated way with your calendar, couldn’t you just use local clients like Thunderbird set up with separate providers for email and calendar? Unless you’re using a service like Tuta which doesn’t support it I guess.
Couldn’t we..?
We could do a lot of things. But its not really ideal or makes sense to do it that way now does it - if at all convenience is valued. People just want to use their email and keep track of events, meetings, and other things to do along with their correspondence with some of those meetings and events.
Email + Calendar may not be for all bit is clearly an important to have calendar too if you have email. And this is absolutely needed for businesses as they are all run on emails and calendars at the base level (and then comes Word, Excel, and other things -pretty standard set of tools almost all business need).
I’ve never used one. I always thought contact sync was more important than a calendar, but apparently I’m in the minority. If you use a standards-compliant provider, email already contains too many privacy issues as-is to also feed it your appointments.