FUTO Harbor / Polycentric (Keybase Alternative)

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Short description

Web-of-trust based identity and claim service. Basically you can create a profile, add claims such as occupation, skill, or social media profiles, and then other people can “vouch” for these claims. Seems to be mobile app only.

Technical docs:

Why I think this tool should be added

Just dropping this here for discussion since we have a few Keybase-alternative topics open already.

Section on Privacy Guides

some new section related to digital identity (Keyoxide (Keybase Alternative) - #12 by jerm)

Profile example:

https://harbor.social/CAESSAokCAESIFaI6Sfu7K9Z-rllA9DmjYOMfjx3-XdkQ5CNpn9WQl8SEiBodHRwczovL3NydjEtcHJvZC5wb2x5Y2VudHJpYy5pbw==

The claims system is a bit crazy, it seems like every claim has to be verified by someone else separately, so if you wanted to verify every claim on my profile for example, you’d have to do 4 of them? :thinking:

I like the concept of a web of trust, but this seems not very well thought out… I’m also not certain whether claims can be revoked.

Well, I’ve gone and verified your claims now after the video Futo posted yesterday. It seems I’m the only one to have done so, meaning it clearly hasn’t become very popular.

The number of possible claims is unfortunately currently quite limited. For example, no proofs for DNS, e-mail, most social networks.

What is the point of identifying yourself online with a tool like Harbor and how is it good for privacy?

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I think that building a web of trust would be highly valuable to a much safer and decentralized economy and global community.

TL;DR: centralized systems are the current form of this and those centralized systems are one of the most compromised security risks posed on our society. This moves us to a decentralized solution and should be designed in a way that is associated with different aspects of who you are can be split up and used in different contexts much like your social media identity and medical identity aren’t shouldn’t be sitting in the same database.

If I can dream a bit though and talk a bit more about how this type of identity system could benefit us.

Right now, many of us are beholden to our in person reputation that is verified by our faces and other biometrics (fingerprints, etc…) held by centralized governments that – as discussed heavily in this site – easily become systems of oppression and the very information that says who you are and if you’re a legal citizen is all in the hands of this centralized system run by (in the US’ case) ~550 federal government officials to about 340M citizens.

I believe that moving towards more decentralized technology will distribute power and remove the need for larger and centralized states to do all this bookkeeping. This enables me to understand you not necessarily as the human body attached to the keyboard, but as a trusted account that can be verified cryptographically.

We can also have identities in this system that do associate with our flesh and blood bodies that could replace things like passports, reputation systems on social media, etc…

For example, most people can look up the identity I’ve tied to profile pictures of my face and know where I’ve worked by looking up my LinkedIn, seeing what languages I’ve coded in, if I work nicely with others, and my documentation skills by looking up my GitHub, or seeing positive or negative reviews I’ve left or that were left about me and my business over time.

The privacy part is that you can have your anon identities if you are doing journalistic activiites, or providing open counterintelligence over remaining sovereign states that are declaring war against small anarchosyndicalist communes (futuristic me can only dream).

The account that associates to your flesh and blood can be more useful for in person social situations where you need to establish you’re a trustworthy citizen of the globe. Now, I can’t speak too much of the specifics in terms of how transparent we could become if larger systems can’t use that information to repress us, but ultimately, you choose what information gets associated with different identities of yourself, what is public, and what is private, and you can establish your identity in a cryptographic manner.

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@jonah, I’m quite interested in this as currently the way people do this are to use centralized systems like Facebook, X, Instagram and LinkedIn to set up identity. I think this type of system will become more valuable as we move closer to much of the internet containing a bunch of bot info (a point I also forgot to touch on above but less related to privacy I guess).

I’ve also seen Freenet’s GhostKey as another solution. Freenet and its implementation (now called Hyphanet) also seem to be a really cool way to set up a dark web.

I get a bit mixed up though as this starts to overlay a bit with the goals of like Etherium, though etherium is much more public vs Freenet seems more darkweb and doesn’t use blockchain but rather just sharing storage and compute with other peers using the same e2e protocol. This can be used to share files and build applications together, you can also run applications on other nodes without those nodes having access to anything you are running.

Anyways, I think the Futo guys are also making a network economy and identiy app, and web3 has no shortage of this type of networks like holochain and the well known Etherium.

Would love to learn with others around this tech as I think it has potential but don’t want another web3 hype storm to make everyone go broke or lose all their earnings due to stolen wallets.