Effective Parental/Self Control Solutions for Android?

My suggestion is due to your problem with going too late to bed/having dinner too late.

If your preferred dinnertime is, say, 6pm, a solution could be to lock it from 4 to 7pm.

Regarding bedtime: lock it/them 1 hour before and set it to open for instance 8 hours later.

Anyway, Good luck. I really hope you succeed to find whatever works for you.

And please share: It’s a phenomenon effecting many people globally :worried:

Aren’t Linux system all rooted and they can still have verified boot?

I keep thinking about your question, as it comes up quite a bit on the main page. I get the feeling the practical answer isn’t going to be an app or a device but rather some kind of adjustment in real life.

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Depends on how you define “rooted” and “verified boot”. You won’t get the same verified boot on a general purpose Linux as on Android, since Android minimizes trust in persistent state, which is very important for protection against malicious persistence. On Linux even small things like maliciously editing a systemd service file can fully compromise your OS and a reboot won’t safe you. Even if you have secure boot with UKI and dm-verity for /usr, it won’t protect you against this and the only thing it could offer is a somewhat safe reset by deleting all mutable data. On more narrowly purposed devices, like a server or IoT device, you could get meaningful verified boot by discarding all privileged state on reboot.

The problem is that I could procrastinate on putting my phone in the time lock box like I now procrastinate to for example eat dinner or go to bed.

Do you have any idea what I could change?

Unfortunately I can’t uninstall ADHD from my brain

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I would recommend trying meditation. I really like the Healthy Minds Program. It isn’t a cure-all, but it helps you train you brain.

The difference with the HM program and Headspace, calm and other apps: The HM program is super structured, not like a social media app with a gallery, it has a clear curriculum. It is completely free, science based, there are always different lengths and different voices. The creators are leading neuroscientists looking at meditation.

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It will be different for everyone, but one thing that sometimes helps me is that I’ve started buying paper printed books again and I try to read before bed. It doesn’t always work, but I do notice it really puts my brain in a calmer state, and it is still an activity.

I also like music on physical media and enjoy listening on an old school hifi system. These are very affordable now in second hand shops, because everyone is connecting smartphones to Bluetooth devices nowadays.

I was kind of half writing to myself when I wrote that comment. I have a tendency to look for solutions to digital problems in digital tools or devices, but sometimes it’s simpler to just do the dishes or something like that and get away from the whole digital realm that way.

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I think you should pursue meditating. It’s a good practice that will help your brain gain more control over distractions. It’s also overall good for mental health.

This isn’t to say that you should forgo all attempts to find an app that works for you. Do both.

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Sometimes you really need to find a way to force yourself out of these habits first to really get yourself locked in especially if you’re chronically addicted. I’ve been using a heavily locked down Apple Configurator + NextDNS on my apple devices to dumb them down for a while and it’s curbed a lot for me so far. Unfortunately I’ve yet to find anything similar on a DeGoogled Android. Unfortunately, you’re going to have to compromise somewhere within these values you listed. Minimalism is really your only friend on android. If I may ask what makes you majorly distracted what’s your vice on your device?

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I used to use Apple Configurator to remove safari and appstore on my iPhone. It worked great.

Now, on GrapheneOS I used ADB to remove vanadium and appstore from a user profile, while the owner profile has a long password I have memorized. No distracting apps in user profile and nothing set up in owner profile. It works fine for me since the password is so long you can’t use the owner profile regularly—it takes like a minute or two to enter the password. You could also not memorize the owner profile password and have it written down in your basement/attic/friend’s house/with a friend/split it with a friend so they can’t see the whole thing.

For me, just being long enough to be really annoying to type is fine because the time that you lose your self control is when it’s late and you just want to easily get that dopamine. I feel like I’ve obtained the same result as on iOS.

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I have tried mediating some time ago with the Medito app, but I didnt got the feeling that its gives me better self control.

Maybe I should try again and stick to it longer to see results..

You could try finding a local zen meditation group-something that isn’t another app. I did that for a while and learned a lot! I also read the book Mindfulness by Joseph Goldstein, slowly, over a period of a year or more. His lectures are really helpful.

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I don’t think doing meditation through the very vessel you’re trying to avoid is going to be helpful. How long did you try it for? Meditation is about implementing the practice day to day to have improvements think about it in the same vain as a diet health benefits but for your brain so a shitton of patience is required. Also you mentioned having ADHD do you have any sort of fidgeting toys? You could turn to that any time you have the urge to pick up your phone for anything non-essential. It seems corny but I wouldn’t knock it right away.

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Definitely try it out!

I think there is a misunderstanding about my problem here and dont describe it well enough:
The problem is not that I pick up my phone at random occasion and to random stuff, I can do without my phone for hours if I do something interesting.
I am also not a person that consumes short form content (because I realized very quickly that it extremely addictive for me, so I blocked short form content in all browsers).

The problem is more that if do something (that is not completely boring) and its time to eat dinner / got to bed, I just cant quit it.
So I don’t need something to prevent me from randomly picking up my phone, but something that forces me to put it down when its time to do so.

I’m saying I wonder if the solution to your problem maybe not is another app or OS tool, because that connects back to your device.

I used to use parenting tools that would shut down devices for my kids, but that only works because someone else is the admin. If you are the admin, you might just use the password and continue. You could ask a trusted friend to be the admin of your parenting tools app, but who’d want to deal with that?

I don’t have an answer for you, but I do suspect that your solution isn’t going to be on your phone.

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Set a router timer to disable internet at certain problematic times?

There are some solutions to this:

  • No password but a timelock for changing rules
  • A password that is written on a paper and stored at a place that is uncomfortable to reach
  • As you mentioned: Someone else who has the password.

I tried this, but it seems to be buggy and also I need to remember to take my SIM out of the phone early enough.

Are their timelock safes that have the option to start a secondary unlock countdown?
What I mean by this is:

  • I could set a normal lock timer like 8 hours (example time)
  • If something changes and I need to unlock the safe sooner: I can press a button and then need to wait 45m (example time) to unlock the safe