Chat Control Must Be Stopped, Act Now!

More from the same article if anyone is interested:

The main argument of the opposition is the principle that the state should not monitor citizens who are not suspected of committing a crime.

“In Poland, we have had bad experiences when it comes to violating people’s private correspondence. The proposal does not provide 100% protection against general scanning being misused for other reasons,” said Poland’s then Minister of Justice Tomasz Siemoniak in December last year, when ministers took a position on an earlier bill, similar to the one now on the table.

A common objection is that it will be a slippery slope. If the state is allowed to scan for child pornography, it could later be extended to other areas.

"Suppose there is a new, severe terrorist attack. Wouldn’t it then be downright unethical not to scan for discussions related to terrorism? says Karl Emil Nikka, an IT security consultant and opinion leader against the EU law.

The sceptical EU governments argue not only on principle but also pragmatically.

Time and again, the Council of Ministers’ own lawyers have sounded the alarm: the European Court of Justice has already ruled that general scanning, without suspicion of crime, constitutes illegal mass surveillance.

‘Therefore, we do not believe that this will stand up in court,’ said the legal service during a hearing on the law this summer, as reported in Swedish diplomatic correspondence.

Today, popular messaging services such as WhatsApp and Signal are fully end-to-end encrypted. This means that only the sender and recipient can read the message, not the intermediary, i.e. the company behind the service.

Under the Danish chat control proposal, companies must build in a backdoor so that messages can be scanned before they are encrypted.

Critics believe that this would introduce a risk that does not currently exist: that chats could be hacked and countries or criminal groups could spy on defence or industry.

Karl Emil Nikka believes that EU politicians are naive if they think they can demand that American and Chinese companies build in backdoors but then only scan the content that the EU has decided on.

There are still many obstacles before the scanning of digital chats in the EU becomes a reality.

Even if the EU countries finally agree, it will still only be their negotiating position in upcoming talks with the European Parliament. The Parliament’s position has been clear for a long time, and it has completely removed the requirements for general scanning and added explicit protection for encrypted services.

If the Council of Ministers nevertheless manages to get the European Parliament on its side and pass a final law, it will likely face a challenge in the European Court of Justice.

It therefore looks as if the Swedish government and a dozen other governments in the EU are fighting a virtually impossible battle. Why are they so stubborn?

‘One of the reasons they continue to push this proposal is that it slowly but surely promotes acceptance of mass surveillance,’ believes Karl Emil Nikka.

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Yes, they have more laws like this in store. For example:

On the other hand, if chat control fails after these many years, and its get established that people don’t agree to mass surveillance, then they will think twice before wasting everyone time with more mass surveillance laws.

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That’s a lot of conjecture. Doesn’t mean anything today. Let’s just take it one step/fight at a time and do what needs to be done at each step.

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What exactly a lot? What does not mean anything?

Too many links?

Let’s be ready to fight again by then :flexed_biceps::locked:

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What I mean is I think you’re presuming many things in how they are going to go and that’s many assumptions to make for nothing today. That’s all.

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Relevant:

Following the money is always good advice. Deepthroat is still right!

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They call that spam but having my entire city filled with ads during election for the various politicians is fine :clown_face:

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New article posted on this Danish website states that the Danish EU presidency has officially withdrawn Chat Control for good?

Developing story still as there are not many sources covering this besides this Danish-language one. Apparently, the Danish Minister of Justice was not able to gather comments in support of the proposal and released a public statement about it.

The government will no longer force tech giants to scan citizens’ messages for image material of child sexual violations.

The Danish EU Presidency thus withdraws its proposal after both Germany and the government party the Moderates have opposed. This is stated in a written comment.

- This will mean that the tracing order will not be part of the EU Presidency’s new compromise proposal and that it should continue to be voluntary for the tech giants to detect material with child sexual abuse, says Justice Minister Peter Hummelgaard (S).

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I think we should still keep an eye out. Government’s don’t give up easily.

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NGL sounds too good to be true they must be planning something.

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They are planning Chat Control 2

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Great news :tada:

That is protectEU package, which also has provisions to break encryption (access data). Plus centralize more powers for EU.

Also digital euro (being discussed right now). Also Digital ID with age verification (already passed and developed, deployment starts next year).

The whole package could have been very bad…, but at least chat control is I think no more.

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Not out of the wood yet

Denmark, currently presiding over the EU Council, proposes a major change to the much-criticised EU chat control proposal to search all private chats for suspicious content, even at the cost of destroying secure end-to-end encryption: Instead of mandating the general monitoring of private chats (“detection orders”), the searches would remain voluntary for providers to implement or not, as is the status quo. The presidency circulated a discussion paper with EU country representatives today, aiming to gather countries’ views on the updated (softened) proposal. The previous Chat Control proposal had even lost the support of Denmark’s own government.

2) Digital house arrest: According to Article 6, users under 16 would no longer be able to install commonplace apps from app stores to “protect them from grooming”, including messenger apps […], social media apps […], and games such as FIFA, Minecraft, GTA, Call of Duty, and Roblox, dating apps, video conferencing apps[…]. This minimum age would be easy to circumvent and would disempower as well as isolate teens instead of making them stronger.

3) Anonymous communications ban: According to Article 4 (3), users would no longer be able to set up anonymous e-mail or messenger accounts or chat anonymously as they would need to present an ID or their face, making them identifiable and risking data leaks.

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More people would move to Signal and other private communication apps.

I tend to disagree with this statement. Maybe stronger means not using all those apps.

But there is another problem which will affect everyone, it is age verification issue in general. Everyone will be forced to have android or apple phone to verify age to access online services.

Yup. People will have a choice to either to choose insecure data leaks, or using official age verification apps on android or apple issued by the state. Another hurdle for linux phones to grow.

:warning::red_exclamation_mark: Chat Control is back

Source Patrick Breyer

  1. MANDATORY CHAT CONTROL – MASKED AS “RISK MITIGATION”
    Officially, explicit scanning obligations have been dropped. But a loophole in Article 4 of the new draft obliges providers of e-mail, chat and messenger services like WhatsApp to take “all appropriate risk mitigation measures.” This means they can still be forced to scan all private messages – including on end-to-end encrypted services.

Also, TEXT content could be SCANNED to fight grooming, which is of course impossible. This is especially concerning,as one of the biggest red line for even the staunchest Chat Control supporters was that communications text would be excluded.

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We need to jump into the fight again.
We need to show up every single time they try.

:raised_fist: Fight Chat Control - Protect Digital Privacy in the EU

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The fuck. What’s wrong with these people.

I now wish more I were in EU so I could do a lot more myself.

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