Can you elaborate on your specific use case?
I’m only asking this to maybe improve my experience, because I only have three vaults: Personal, Work and Family (shared).
I see no need (for me, of course) to have more than 3 or maybe 4 vaults.
Well, besides that I share passwords with already 6 people for which you need a vault. I work for many organisations and I want to keep that organized, so I can remove the credentials and find an overview of them easily when needed.
Also, I prefer to organize my credentials in folders like banking, insurance, newsletters, entertainment, gaming, temporary stuff, shopping to name a few.
As might you understand, I would also prefer to have structured vaults with subfolders, essentially.
Due to the nature of my work, I probably have way more credentials than any “normal” user. Just keeping them in one vault lacks any overview, which complicates compliance and also good habits of removing accounts you do not need any more.
To give you some idea, in Bitwarden I have over 2500 login items stored. (yes I want to move manually to proton pass, I am crazy ikr) but sorting needs to happen. In Bitwarden I lost track of it ini recent year slightly because the UI is a pain.
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I’m not the person to whom you responded, but after having just checked my Bitwarden vault because of your reply, I notice that I have 27 folders.
Some of these folders were intended for short-term categorization. For example, I have a “Reused” and “Exposed” folder for logins with non-unique passwords and logins with passwords exposed in known data breaches, respectively. (I checked this using Bitwarden’s vault health reports for premium users.) These folders just stuck because, after having gone through these logins, I couldn’t change the credentials for some of them.
Same here.
This is what frustrates me about the browser extension. On the desktop app, you can easily organize folders using the left sidebar. Meanwhile, you can’t manage folders in the “Vault” tab of the extension – the most intuitive location for that, I would imagine. I have to navigate to Settings > Folders to make any changes to them.
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Thank you so much for taking the time to explain. It does make perfect sense now. We all have different needs indeed.
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If you do not login to your Proton account for 1 year the account will be deactivated and all of its data will be deleted. Meaning, all of your passwords will be GONE.
However, this is not the case for Bitwarden. Your data is safe with Bitwarden whether you do not login for a long time or not.
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If you haven’t made backups in that one year you are doing it wrong. And generally a password manager is really a multiple times per day usage.
I am actually happy to know they will clean up the data at some point. On email i think this is a different story as you might need that old email some day. But
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That’s not entirely true. Only the accounts of free users are deactivated. Additionally, I’m a bit skeptical about Bitwarden, especially due to them being VC-backed. While it’s not horrible, Bitwarden has to make profit for the investors.
I just want to point out that early on, Proton also received VC funding. They no longer depend on VC backing (and haven’t for some time) and they recently reorganized as a hybrid non-profit structure. But I’m just pointing it out as a counterexample to show that VC money doesn’t always lead to bad outcomes.
I look at VC backing as a real vulnerability with a greater likelihood of misaligned incentives, but not an inevitably bad situation always. I think the risk is considerably higher when there is the combination of: VC money and no clear or sustainable business model
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