Why is Simplex considered the best messenger app?

[yipii (It's a meee Yipii !)]

Agree, more possibility by using more code usually comes with more risks.

I think the vision is different and this has a big impact in everything. I searched but could not find the reference, but I read on simplex chat blog that they are trying to reach a mass adoption of the software broadly in order to improve the privacy of everyone on the planet.
In order to reach this goal, they needs to offer a very good ui and all of the features that are commonly offered by non private messengers.

The quote was something like: adding sticker support to our application seems like a loss of time, but if the missing support of sticker is what prevent everybody to join simplex, then in order to improve privacy globally, we need to add sticker support. Sorry that I could not find a reference to the quote.

So yeah… If you need to configure tor or if you can only send message when both people are online, its not usable by the vast majority of the population thus its not going to won or improve the market. Its fine to develop a tool for the few person with a higher thread model, but with all the difficulty of uses, it will probably not go worldwide.

In another thread about simplex, maqp mapq ? Write a nice message about simplex not advertising their capability accurately. I tend to agree. However he was also requiring a metadata resistant messenger, which might be more on the higher thread level with specific person in mind, and not a software that aims to reach global usage for common folks.

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@yipii

However he was also requiring a metadata resistant messenger, which might be more on the higher thread level with specific person in mind

Think you might be misremembering. It isn’t maqp who is holding SimpleX to any unreasonably high standard, it is SimpleX’s marketing that is (at least according to maqp).

@maqp

Because SimpleX is trying to market itself as more private than Cwtch, it sets itself on nothing short of the ~highest pedestal in the category of metadata resistant messaging.

[maqp (Markus Ottela)]

Yeah, like I said in the thread, an app that sends a copy of every message to the NSA, that openly tells it sends a copy of every message to the NSA, is a secure app.

It’s the what’s advertised not meeting what’s offered, that’s the problem. I’m not against SimpleX if it accurately conveys its threat model. I’m against anything that doesn’t, and the app is only one of half-a-dozen I’ve criticized.

I also have zero problem changing my opinion. I complained about iMessage for years, then it upgraded from RSA-1280 into the post-quantum thingy with safety numbers and all. Now I think it beats WhatsApp. But since it’s proprietary, it doesn’t go higher than Signal, even if the protocol is apparently slightly better on paper. I used to complain about Matrix and its crappy E2EE across clients, and now I have no trouble recommending it for large institutions who need E2EE.

I have no trouble recommending SimpleX once its walk matches its talk.

@yipii

perhaps even with an agenda aganst simplex creator.

I’m not against SimpleX out of principle, I’m for the users out of principle.

[yipii (It's a meee Yipii !)]

Yes i’ve not clearly communicated. Obviously they needs to be accurate in their marketting.