Why do we trust VPNs?

Indeed, and this is troubling. Age verification will not just interfere with VPNs but also Tor and other anonymizing networks.

I agree VPNs are often falsely advertised, overhyped and blindly trusted, but I disagree they are useless most of the time. The usefulness and use cases depend on each person’s situation and goals: hiding the user’s IP address, censorship circumvention, hiding Tor usage, protecting unencrypted traffic, etc.

For VPNs and many other things, I see there is “absolute trust” (is X trustworthy?) and there is “relative trust” (is X more trustworthy than Y?). The idea of “relative trust” was already mentioned in this thread several times.

For “absolute trust,” I have no expertise in evaluating VPNs, but some criteria include how the VPN provide responds to policy and technical questions, audits, and how much personal information they collect.

For “relative trust,” some users trust their VPN provider more than their ISP or the local shady cafe’s wifi. Sometimes the relative trust is easily determined not by the VPN’s trustworthiness alone but by a high distrust of the ISP or local wifi.

You can spin up your own VPN using your own hardware (e.g. OpenWRT router) or a rented VPS. This will bypass the vast majority (perhaps all?) VPN blocklists while still “hiding” your IP address.

Yeah, exactly. The main reason we recommend using a VPN is the diversity of choices. In most areas there is typically no free market of ISPs to choose from. If somebody has to handle your unencrypted traffic then at least some will be better off with a multitude of options.

Plus most traffic is encrypted, so in a worst case scenario of your VPN turning out to be worse than your ISP the downside isn’t too severe. I think that tips the risk calculation towards using a VPN even more for most people. If this were 15 years ago and unencrypted HTTP was everywhere it would be harder to recommend a VPN, at least for home usage (still would make sense for public/shared networks).

Additionally, sharing an IP with others is a small but non-zero benefit, which gives a slight edge to using a shared provider over self-hosting a VPN.

Definitely not true, unless you are installing a malicious Root CA certificate on your device. But that’s sort of a “man on the end” attack if you are compromising your endpoint that significantly.

There is a lot of metadata about HTTPS traffic that can be discovered by your network, like the IP you’re connecting to and the domain name if ECH isn’t used. That isn’t anywhere near “functional decryption” though. That’s the sort of thing scummy VPN providers want people to believe.

Otherwise I agree with your post :slight_smile:

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I don’t know why “we” trust VPNs, but here is why I trust them (more):

After reading the terms & conditions of my ISP I decided to use a VPN. Mullvad at the moment.

IVPN before that.

Plus it’s a recommendation, in a specific post / thread, from the GrapheneOS team.

Haven’t thought about it afterwards. And don’t plan to.

is it safe to use their apps?

do most people here trust the mullvad app for example? or does everyone just use the configs?

I use thier App, why would I not do so?

Or let me put it differently:

I have never second guessed their App. At least not on my Pixel. Can’t speak for Windows since I don’t use a VPN there.

Just remember not all VPNs are created equal.

Try looking at past stories and find VPNs that have been a positive or a negative in protecting their users.

Hey! New to PrivacyGuides here, you might also want to check out Nym, a modern privacy network using mixnets.
Instead of just hiding your IP like a VPN or routing traffic like Tor, mixnets shuffle and delay encrypted packets across multiple nodes, breaking metadata correlation.
Great if your goal is to protect who talks to whom, not just change your IP.

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