What does "security" mean?

In this forum about privacy, there is plenty of discussion about security. However, this forum contains people coming from different backgrounds, and security means different things to each of us. I have noticed people in this forum (myself included) debating what “security” means.

This thread is a spin-off from this thread. Some arguments exist there and I won’t repeat them here. This blog post is one take on defining anonymity, privacy and security.

So, what does “security” mean to you? What has shaped your definition of security, or what context does it apply to?

I think Security, broadly, is a lot more messy and nuanced than some of the commenters in that thread would like it to be. While its true that ‘security can’t mean whatever you want it to mean’ (paraphrasing of a comment made there), its also true that one individual (or even one industry) doesn’t have a monopoly on defining the term, nor is there consensus within a single industry.

I’m not going to attempt to define the term–ya’ll already know I can’t communicate anything concisely… :smiley: but what you said here resonates with my own thoughts on the topic:

Both cases about connecting to Google you presented are about security, they just assume different adversaries: eavesdroppers and active attackers who could interfere with the connection, and then Google itself. In the latter case, the security implications might be clearer if “Google” is replaced by “journalist” or “darknet market” etc, where it might be catastrophic if that other party knows who is connecting or from where.

Even if we use an extremely narrow and rigid definition of Security, I think there is a huge amount of overlap with Privacy, and as you stated, it really depends who you consider to be an adversary.

Even so-called “industry standard” definitions leave a lot of space for privacy. CISA, for example, defines cybersecurity as:

The art of protecting networks, devices, and data from unauthorized access or criminal use and the practice of ensuring confidentiality, integrity, and availability of information

Security comes from a latin word securus meaning freedom from anxiety. :person_shrugging:

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With that kind of definition, wont anxiolytic medications count as well? Your diazepams and alprazolams:thinking:

Thats a very bad and extremely outdated take from its etymology.

Also I rechecked Webster and they suggest another take: securus se- “without” + -cura “care”

Ive got really no pitch other than banks and prisons seem to embody their virtue the most.

Security to me is about protecting something.

It can be your data, your life, your secrets, etc.

I’d say (data) security is a combination of:

Confidentiality = Your data is kept private and secret, only accessible by specific parties

Integrity = Your data and the security measures around it are consistent, accurate, and reliable

Availability = Your data/systems remain accessible

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Thank you for quoting that definition. I wonder whether or not this definition is what people use to treat privacy and security as orthogonal, though (like you have commented) cybersecurity and privacy protection are not mutually exclusive.

However, exclusive focus on cybersecurity leaves out some security considerations, some of which are important for privacy. Cybersecurity also allows privacy violations that are classified as authorized access/use.

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Totally agree. I like this succinct answer.

I’ve seen these three properties several times. I wonder if these form a complete set, or if it’s better to consider things like anonymity, deniability and non-repudiation separately.

My attempt to define and explain privacy and security in the way I understand them. Comments about what I perceive to be definitional problems are at the bottom end, most of which I comment with less confidence or is opinionated.

Privacy is one’s autonomy about who/what to allow into their own life (or keep out). More narrowly, related to information, privacy is the ability of someone to determine what/how/who/why information about themselves is revealed (or withheld). Privacy is essential to human dignity, and free and democratic society. This is recognized by several laws worldwide that declare privacy a human right. Privacy may be achieved simply by being given respect (for example, not having the bathroom door opened on you while bathing), or by security measures (encryption, locks, etc.).

Security is the protection of someone or something from adversarial actors. Highly context-dependent, security is employed to protect life, health, freedom, property, activities, society, information, etc. against adversaries who may try to undermine those.

Aside: safety

I often use “safety” instead of “security” to refer to protection from non-adversarial risks (accidents, mistakes, failures, etc.), but “safety” and “security” (or their similar words) are sometimes interchangeable.

While privacy and security are not the same, they are practically inseparable. Privacy often relies on effective security measures that protect identities, content, metadata, etc. Conversely, privacy loss often amounts to security risks, for example by enabling phishing, blackmail, violence, etc. If someone knows what property you have or where it is, they may be able to steal it from you.

The exception I see to this inseparability is when privacy is not a goal of security and privacy loss does not amount to security risk. A security service can provide security to someone but at the cost to that person’s privacy from the security service, in which case, that someone would need to place significant trust in the security service.

In this forum, I see a need for terminology like information security, opsec, device security, etc. as and when appropriate. In specific contexts, for example a hardware project, “security” without adjectives could potentially be used without loss of meaning.

The word “security” is problematic because its meaning is highly context-dependent. Security for who? From which adversaries? What kind of security? Here’s an example:

A prisoner in a cell is secure, but has no privacy.

In this case, it’s clear that “secure” doesn’t mean the prisoner’s privacy is protected, but it could mean the prisoner is protected from violence by other prisoners or guards, or it could mean the prisoner cannot escape or cannot hurt other prisoners or guards.

Different perspectives in the context of digital technology and the internet may be security for a software project, security for users, security for services, security for service operators, etc. This can complicate discussions about security because these may have different goals, sometimes conflicting goals.

It’s apparent that many people involved in digital technology, information security, etc. define privacy and security such that they are orthogonal, in contrast to security including protection of privacy. I don’t know what definitions are frequently used, what origins these have, how many people use them, or how these are best termed.

An example of this is A Holistic Security Analysis of Monero Transactions, a presentation of an analysis of Monero’s monetary security. Contrary to what the title suggests, the presenter is explicit that the analysis is limited to concluding that an adversary cannot steal or create coins (jump to 3:04 and 24:26), without considering security risks related to transaction privacy: linkability, deanonymization, leakage of amount, consequences of sharing a Monero address, etc. Maybe assurance of monetary security, but the presentation was not a holistic security analysis that I would have expected, considering what I understand to be Monero’s goal of financial privacy. I don’t use Monero, so I invite Monero users to correct my claims or elaborate.

Cybersecurity risks like vulnerabilities to privilege escalation, MITM attack, denial of service, etc. are treated with high priority. This is good and certainly better than security as an afterthought. On the other hand, privacy risks (security risks that affect privacy) that fall out of the cybersecurity scope are treated as lesser, irrelevant, even desirable. More skeptically, I wonder if attempts to separate privacy from security have an agenda. Surveillance capitalism and governments may want cybersecurity but not want people to have privacy.

Similarly, there is a problem that privacy is sometimes defined narrowly. Many data protection laws/policies define “privacy” narrowly to mean protection of personal information, and additionally, may define personal information narrowly to mean specific information: name, gender, address, religion, etc. Unavoidable maybe, but this risks making people think privacy is a narrow concept.

Finally there is the “privacy vs security” rhetoric. As I have explained above “security” is a problematic word and “privacy” is likewise defined differently by different people. With few exceptions I presume, this rhetoric either conflates these differences or deliberately exploits them to deceive people.

wow the CIA triad out in the wild!

praise be Professor Messer :pray:

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