I’m sorry, both these “guides” are no where close to being “comprehensive”.
I personally know and work with activist journalists. Y’all will get someone jailed if you sell your version as “more comprehensive”.
I’m sorry, both these “guides” are no where close to being “comprehensive”.
I personally know and work with activist journalists. Y’all will get someone jailed if you sell your version as “more comprehensive”.
“More comprehensive” is a relative term; it does not indicate any specific degree of comprehensiveness. Nothing is perfectly comprehensive.
If you are unhappy with the guide in its current state and have valuable insights to share, it would be more productive to suggest further changes.
You can also kindly contribute with your wonderous insights instead of standing there and complaining about every single thing we publish :).
With such attitude, how are you folks still in the “mod” team? Despicable.
Words mean things, no? If not, let’s throw the dictionary to the wolves. smh. COMPREHENSIVE Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
And did, or did we not include your feedback?
You should ask Jonah if he even read the half of it.
If there was genuine effort here at all to be “comprehensive”, it is likely that it’d have taken a lifetime of work & review. Given it is a “basic” blog post as Jonah points out … it is totally okay (even if incomplete) in its current form. But to pass off this guide as “comprehensive” by the Staff here is self-serving and diabolical (given the threats protestors face).
But all of it is besides the point… thar you’ve repeatedly second guessed and downplayed other people discussing here on this thread. And you don’t stop. That’s diabolical, too.
If we are being pedantic about the original term, it was said to be “more comprehensive”, not “comprehensive”, likely in place of saying “more detailed”. It wasn’t said it was comprehensive. The usage was relative, not precise. Perhaps another word should have been used as it leaves an assumption both are baseline comprehensive, and that the PG one is even more so. I get we should just words that correctly convey the right meaning, but I really don’t think the intent was that sinister.
Non staff will not always behave in the manner you expect, or even like, but how staff reacts to those situations determines the perception of the staff themselves. I don’t disagree with your frustration, but I also see ignoramous as a knowledgeable hot head.
Oh I understand him completely and respect his knowledge, all I am trying to get at is that he can work on his way of bringing his point across, being overly negative and having an attitude.
I saw that he left some feedback, which i really appriciate, and I know we have improved the guide based on multiple feedback points that we got. If he still sees things which he believes are missing, he is free to again point it out.
Edit: my first message was more hostile then needed, I have edited it to tone it down.
Guys… what are we trying to accomplish with this discussion? Can we just accept feedback and share knowledge instead of trying to litigate/debate who’s “right”?
To go back to the confusion, I really think it’s tough to have a general guide for all protestors, when say a protestors really have wildly different threat models. I think the post is a good way to dip into a base line level of security and begin to understand what could impact users. I don’t think we should treat this as an end-all be-all guide. If the post leaves that ambiguous, it should be updated to clearly reflect that.
With that, it’s still good it exists, and I would definitely share it with people not in life or death threat models, and especially people who just wing it. I’d also share with protest coordinators and say “this is the START of what you all should be doing”.
Yeah I guess one of the main points @ignoramous trying to raise, is that PG should consider be explicit about this by emphasizing this guide is merely a starting point and is not “comprehensive”
I think the guide actually kind of already covered this by saying
Like all of our guides, we are going to cover the general best practices and provide helpful tips, but your individual situation may be different. You should always research and plan according to what you specifically are doing
But maybe not as clear as @ignoramous expected.
Many protestors got flagged on scene and traced back to them for their online activities. Being a protester / activist, you need to separate your online / protest / real life identity. This is not something can be included in this guide, but crucial for your safety.