SimpleX vs. Cwtch, who is right?

Thank you a lot for your prolonged participation and patience in this topic, although I do understand some of mapq’s grievances.

I think that everybody who cares about the level of anonymity we discuss, does understand that nuance very well.

I care about having a whole lot of anonymity (as you can probably tell from my username), and did not know that SimpleX leaks IP addresses to the server. Although I hold an immense amount of gratitude and appreciation for SimpleX, I feel pretty misled after learning this, and that my initial impression and sense of security from exploring the SimpleX website has been somewhat undermined.

Although I can’t seem to find where you said this so hopefully you’re able to remember, I recall you wrote in a reply to Mental Outlaw’s Youtube video about SimpleX that SimpleX is not just for criminals, and that you’ve heard people and families use it to help keep them safe from threats like criminals. I wouldn’t exactly expect everyone in those types of families who want SimpleX’s protection, to completely understand that nuance.

Maybe the SimpleX website can include something like “Our servers can see your IP address if you don’t use a VPN or Tor, so although we have confidence in the capabilities of our privacy policies, you may want to consider using a VPN or Tor if you are familiar with their strengths and weaknesses and your threat model requires planning around the possibility that governments could subpoena us and force us to give IP addresses”

I think I might know another thing I think could be really helpful for SimpleX! You have commonly mentioned in the discussion that you feel Tor does not adequately account for the potential of malicious nodes. I happen to suggest this service a lot on this forum :sweat_smile:, but the Nym mixnet has expressed a really similar view about Tor, and they’ve developed what I believe to be really interesting potential solutions to this issue!

Thank you once again, and I wish you and SimpleX the best!

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Also @nym-product and @TorProject I would be interested to know what you think about this!
The discussion is really long, so the post linked has a pretty good summary of the points mentioned.

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Hello, thank you for participating.
I can’t get to my message in this thread, perhaps because of a bug or because it’s been deleted by someone.
On my side I can confirm that I don’t receive any messages or notices about updates. This situation also happens with those I chat with via the desktop application. Since my previous message, there have been 1 or 2 new releases and nothing in the app has signaled an update, even if I switch to the beta channel and back to the stable one.
I don’t have any messages with the team either.
Anyway, if this is non-standard behavior that only happens to us, I’ll end my participation here. Thank you!

@an9
So I just checked in a new profile, and after creating your new peofile, and being in an empty list, yiu can press the write icon button to add a new contact, and select the two address below to add them to your chat list. You will then be able to see tje notofocation of news (similar to blog post).
SimpleX-Status
Simplex chat team


Edit seems I did not get notified of the lastest blog post, so you might be right. Maybe my chat team conversation is now contacting a prson instead of a bot, since I gave feedback from time to time.

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Thanks for checking!

Yes, what you reported is the standard behavior of a new profile.

You have to start a conversation with these profiles to receive notifications about updates.

So the “choose your update channel” button has no real effect on the desktop app, because it doesn’t notify or update. It’s faulty default behavior.

As I was never interested in contacting the team, I never created the chats mentioned. I remember (but my memory may fail me, so I apologize in advance) that there used to be only “contact SimpleX Chat Team”.

My list of SimpleX-using friends is very small, so I rarely use the create chat button.

Anyway, even though there is that Status/SimpleX Chat Team chat, it’s a very confusing behavior, and one that I believe should be mentioned to new users directed by the PG site, and maybe it’s a small security problem, since users may have convinced themselves that they would be notified of updates by selecting the channel, but they’re not being notified.

(Translated with machine)

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It’s just very important to be able to self-host, like Deltachat does, and Signal just doesn’t.