According to Wired, Pornhub's parent company has sent letters to Apple, Google, and Microsoft urging them to support device-based age verification.
Donāt they or even the law makers know desktop Linux exists? They can yell and claw for the rules they want, it aināt happening. And this is why any age verification is an idea thatās beyond flawed. Not to mention the hundred other reasons.
Thatās definitely a big argument against it, if thereās no support in the OS then you canāt do device based age verification, so itās going to exclude a lot of people. Iām not sure if on Linux thereās an equivalent digital ID solution? Havenāt really heard about it.
I mean, even if distros officially put it in (which I donāt they will as they canāt ensure of it and would go against their values so donāt know how it would make sense), there will be another fork exactly the same without this BS for folks to download. Same applies to custom ROMs.
besides, device based verification can be like passkeys stored on device where you scan say an iPhone in the QR Code and use that as passkey, it would work on linux in that case.
Tell me more on how exactly you envision this working? I donāt follow your comment (and I donāt want to misunderstand what I do follow).
Yeah I havenāt really seen an actual implementation of this digital ID age verification in the wild so I havenāt been able to test how it actually works. Youād think that would be possible though for sure.
Basically, with passkeys, you can have it stored on your phone and not on your desktop and still log in by scanning a QR code. Itās pretty smooth and very neat. Itās basically like a wireless version of using your phone as a security key.
correct I dont think it exists, nor does it exist at all anyways but maybe the point im trying to make is that if a similar tech could be used, I can see Linux users not being left out but that could be just me.
And how do you get it on your phone? From the manufacturer when you buy it after proving your age?
Passkeys are registered usually on device or E2EE. [You store passkeys say on Apple Passwords, Bitwarden, Proton Pass etc.]
If weāre doing it by wallet standards, Apple Wallet does store those stuffs locally on the device hence can also work offline and using the similar tokenized system for Apple Pay
Iām not even sure where to start on lobbying for this. The premise sounds good, better protection for kids while preserving adult privacy, but I canāt shake the feeling that the āprotect the childrenā rhetoric is just a convenient cover.
Those dinosaurs in congress arenāt moving on a genuine concern for kids, theyāre after something else entirely. Mass surveillance.
The second thing, you need to convince a bunch of 80 year olds how this technology works. The same people who, if they delete chrome from their desktop, think theyāve deleted the internet.
I get that.
What I am asking or trying to understand is how you get that age verified passkey on your device in the first place? And what when you sell or buy a device from someone else?
As I see it, there will always be ways to bypass this. Not to mention, on FOSS OSs, this can ever work. So, getting GOS and desktop Linux will free people from what I still maintain is this BS.
on device processing of the ID or Face?
Basically instead of your face or ID being processed in some server you dont even trust, it verifies and stays on your device (or E2EE), basically putting the same security as Apple Wallet or Passkeys
Do you still not see the many other ways this can be bypassed? (I have more to say but I am taking baby steps in asking specific questions so I can more appropriately say what I want to say and not presume what and how you mean by what youāre suggesting which currently is still making little sense to me).
why do you think this can be bypassed?
you cant bypass passkeys, how do you think you can bypass this?
Unless you are referring to kids using parentās IDs or something like that.
Age verification itself. By using GrapheneOS for example. Or desktop Linux. A bypass by any means is still bypass.
sigh
the whole point of a passkey like system is for things like linux and android support to be retained
This and also a black market that will inevitably develop where kids buy age verified devices. Opens up a whole world of security issues for the young.
thats a completely different story.