Mullvad’s Co-owner Made A Controversial Donation

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Regarding the Mullvad CEO donation: I’m not too familiar with that political party, or Sweden overall, so I won’t weigh in on specifics.

However, I have been trying to think where I would draw the line in situations like this.

At what point is it acceptable for an executive or lead developer to support something that could be deemed “controversial”?

Is this a belief system issue, or a money issue? Would a tweet be just as bad as this (pretty eye-watering) donation?

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Obviously it’s your subjective decision. Possibilities:

  1. You don’t care
  2. You care either way but not enough to boycott or become a customer
  3. You care and you boycott them (stop your subscription) because you disagree
  4. You care and you become a new subscriber or renew your subscription because you agree

There can’t be an objective answer to this because there’s nothing fundamentally wrong with an individual exercising his rights to have an opinion or use his money for political activism. There’s also nothing fundamentally wrong with letting politics affect your decision to purchase or not purchase a product or service.

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Regarding the Mullvad CEO donation: I’m not too familiar with that political party, or Sweden overall, so I won’t weigh in on specifics.

This is where I am too. I’m hesitant to generalize US politics to other countries, given US is such an unusual country in terms of size and the like. Though my gut reaction is not to trust politicians who care so much about deporting people who grew up in their country that they campaign on it. And since IPVN and Proton are good too… yet I don’t think this should negate the work of everyone else as Mullvad.

The money is a step beyond a tweet though. Especially for a small political group, the money empowers them significantly. I wasn’t familiar with the CEO’s views, but it’s not surprising to me that anarcho-capitalists are drawn to supporting privacy tools. Generally it’s good when the left/right can cooperate on something that’s in their shared interests. That’s different then funneling money to specific political groups.

I’m looking forward to hearing the staffs’ views here. I’d like to know what they think of Mullvad versus other companies in terms of what they contribute overall. Are they offering unique benefit, not just in their current VPN offering where we know there are other good options, but what they bring in terms of development and research, privacy advocation, etc?

I’ll stop here and let that be my question.

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There’s something especially rich about someone with “regime” in their user name defending donations to an ethno-nationalist party.

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I remember the good old days when this forum was full of technical and interesting discussions, not people constantly aggresively fighting each other over political disagreements :slight_smile:

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It’s a random name generated by Bitwarden. Touch grass.

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@phnx In the thread where the debate arose about this donation and the ideals of the Örebropartiet, he tried to dirty the discussion by suggesting that the Örebropartiet presented left-wing policies and with a frankly simplistic explanation of what it means to be left-wing (equating it to economic proposals when it is not).

Even if there are authoritarian left-wing parties and groups, that does not mean that the Örebropartiet is not fascist. Remember that Mussolini and Hitler ran propaganda clearly aimed at workers to win their votes, and that does not mean they were “left-wing” in any sense, nor that the National Socialist Party being called “socialist” in its name makes fascism left-wing. Mixing things so absurdly nonsensical is what dirties the debate and makes it meaningless to talk about political questions (which, precisely, is what fascists are most interested in). Fascists are defined above all because they possess no ideals. They accept anything and only seek power to prevent worker revolutions and the advancement of rights, that is, to defend the status quo and the concentration of power among buddies and large corporations. Obviously, when you do not pretend to change anything, what you get is an authoritarian capitalist state, as there have been many examples throughout history. And that is why it is right-wing (authoritarian and ultra-conservative).

It never hurts to recall this excerpt from Mussolini’s book, Relativism and Fascism:

In Italy, relativism is nothing more than a fact. Fascism is a super-relativist movement because it has never attempted to clothe its complex and vigorous mental attitude in a concrete programme, but has triumphed by following the dictates of its ever-changing individual intuition. Everything I have said and done in recent years is relativism by intuition. If relativism means the end of faith in science, the decline of that myth, “science,” conceived as the discovery of absolute truth, I can pride myself on having applied relativism to the analysis of socialism. If relativism means contempt for fixed categories and for those who claim to possess an external objective truth… then nothing is more relativist than fascist attitudes and activity… We Fascists have always displayed an absolute indifference towards all theories… We Fascists have had the courage to set aside all traditional political theories, and we are aristocrats and democrats, revolutionaries and reactionaries, proletarians and anti-proletarians, pacifists and anti-pacifists. It is enough to have one fixed aim: the nation. The rest is self-evident… The modern relativist concludes that everyone is free to create their own ideology and to attempt to put it into practice with all possible energy, and draws this conclusion from the fact that all ideologies have the same value, that all ideologies are mere fictions.

I think it’s healthy that we keep debates and discussions about politics. Complaining that people talk and discuss politics is a good way of rendering the fight for citizens’ privacy meaningless. After all, practically all of us here, I believe, are in favour of laws preserving this fundamental right enshrined in the charter of human rights. And those who make the laws are politicians. There is no defence of privacy without politics being involved. Avoiding it is putting a blindfold over our eyes.

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Thanks for answering my question. I also have immigrants in my family, have also been to El Paso, and even crossed over to Jaurez (nowhere near the shanty towns though). This is a topic I have strong feelings about as well.

I have low threat model, merely trying to hide from an ISP with poor privacy policy, and have even been using NordVPN until my old subscription expires soon. I don’t feel confident enough to tell people to avoid Mullvad, but I will upgrade to a different choice than Mullvad myself. I believe IPVN and Proton also deserve support.

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What are some good ways to spread disinformation about yourself? I’ve heard this talked about in the past to protect against data brokers and other places personal information could leak, but don’t know the best way to go about this.

Are there other major threats in this space to consider, and what are effective ways to reduce or prevent their impact?

Huh. I am currently a mulvad subscriber, but my credits expire soon… I should look into weather or not I should switch to a different provider.

What is controversial about the donation again?

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Clearly it is controversial because there are over 100 replies in the thread about the donation.

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I want to be more accepting but increasingly I am inclined to believe loyalists cook their cognitive abilities up when it comes to that one thing they’re loyal to.

I sometimes wonder if all it takes is for Markus Allard to proclaim once, “I’m not racist… I’ve got four black tires & a colour TV” and the NPCs will endlessly point to this one thing (discounting the fact that it doesn’t even make sense) and ask us to ignore all his other transgressions! Some of us have eyes that see and ears that hear, and this grey matter between them to sense-make as a collective, thank you very much.

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I didnt ask if it was or not, Im asking what is it that makes it controversial.

We live in the age of drama, outrage, and hate. It’s best to just ignore threads like this and move on with your life.

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