Laptops with proper firmware updates

I’m not sure how the others in the community feel about using unofficial solutions that effectively confuse your Mac computer into thinking it’s running a different operating system.

Then you need to think about incompatibility issues you’re definitely going to run into in the future.

it’s not confusing the computer into thinking it’s running a different OS, it’s changing the SMBIOS reported so that it can run a newer macOS version even without “proper” compatibility and any firmware updates like you would get if it was officially supported. This can be seen in the documentation for OCLP.

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I can see why OpenCore Legacy Patcher is popular but tampering with core OS files just seems like too much of a security risk. In addition, therer will be App incompatibility problems and you won’t be able to get support from Apple.

I’m pretty sure discussion of the patcher is banned on Apple and I can see why!

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Pinkandwhite, I know I probably can’t dissuade you from using the OpenCore Patcher, but I’ll try anyway as there are Legal Considerations to consider:

Using OCLP to install macOS on unsupported hardware may violate Apple’s licensing agreements for macOS. This could potentially lead to legal issues or restrictions on your ability to use Apple’s services.

Incompatibility will be a problem in the future as well.

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Why is it your job to dissuade a random person you know barely anything about from using OCLP? Absolute cop behaviour.

This is needless.

  1. “Why”: This is a thread about “proper firmware updates”?
  2. “random person”: You hinted at OCLP being as good as “officially supported”?
  3. “job”: This is a “discussion board”?

starlab’s Byte advertises Secure Boot, btw (ref). Would you recommend it over Framework (given the latter has reservations about coreboot)?[1]


  1. Nirav Patel, CEO at Framework: “We want to minimize the number of miracles we have to do in order to ship a product to customers … We want to target repairability and customization first, but we also care about shipping the latest platform available. If we were to go with Coreboot now, that would mean we’d have to offer older platforms.” (source) ↩︎

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the word “without” means without, so I’m truly baffled that you would think me correcting misinformation about what OCLP does ( calling it “confusing” the computer into running a newer macOS version is silly) is “hinting” at recommending OCLP.

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The word “needless” means needless. You’re not a “random person” when you engage in this discussion thread.

OK.

Hey Pink, I’m just trying to help you so I don’t know why you’re giving me a bad attitude??? Most people wouldn’t even bother to respond to you after such rude behaviour but I’m willing to go the extra mile and try to help you understand the possible problems.

Using an unofficial App that gets access to the core of MacOSX seems like a disaster waiting to happen. I did a lot of research.

Eventually you’re going to run into incompatibility issues and forget about asking Apple for support. Apple may pursue legal action in the future.

There are cases where OCLP has bricked perfectly running Macs or WiFi adapters/CPUs being incompatible:
https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenCoreLegacyPatcher/comments/1bau8gm/deleted_by_user/

There’s also the problem of the future of OCLP: How long will they keep maintaining it and will it even be possible to use OCLP when the Intel Macs are long gone???

I don’t know why I spent so much time trying to help you, but whatever. I’m just trying to give you good advice.
Think about it man.

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Have a look at the problems this Mac expert has been having with OCLP:

I’ve still got so many of my own problems I gotta do but I wanted to give you the best advice I can! :slightly_frowning_face:

This post still irks me a bit…

I have no vested interest and I’m ONLY trying to help users who are thinking of installing this software.

Naive users may see this tool that seems great because it allows them to install the latest MacOSX but it’s important to recall that they’re most likely going to run into compatibility issues and they wil NOT receive any help from Apple support.

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I wouldn’t call that “proper update”. See [2023] No new iPhone? No secure iOS: Looking at an unfixed iOS vulnerability.

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What would you call “proper updates”?

The blogpost you linked to is talking about a device that is roughly 10 years old. (I’m unaware of any smartphone brand that fully supports 10+ year old hardware).

Despite the implication of the title, you do not need a “new” iPhone to receive security updates. Historically iPhones have received updates for about 7 years on average, and they have never dropped support for a phone that is less than 5 years old iirc.

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the crazy long support lifetimes for iPhones started with the 5S (iOS 7-12, with some security updates only on iOS 12 for a while after that)

The iPhone 5 got iOS 6-10, 4S got 5-9, and it only gets shorter the older you go

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A recent update for an iPad released in 2015 is not a proper update. As you have said, it only receive proper updates for 7 years.

iPsds without the latest iPadOS officially don’t receive proper updates. I’m personally going to enable lockdown mode on my iPad once it no longer receives latest OS upgrade and hope for the best

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Most people here have focused on iPhones, but Apple is beyond amazing for providing security updates for iPads as well.

A proper update doesn’t need to include new features. Releasing security updates would be 100% acceptable for me.

I just wish Apple would provide security updates to their older Macs… This is the one thing holding me back from buying a new Mac. I was looking at the Mac Pros that don’t receive security updates anymore and wow, it’s unbelieveable because these Mac Pros have soooo much CPU power. Seems like such a huge waste to me?

Look at the specs of this Mac Pro…: Mac Pro (Late 2013) - Technical Specifications – Apple Support (AU)

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Apple only provides some security patches to their non-latest branches.

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I appreciate your reply!

Is that really true? I assumed

It just seems like a huge waste to have a computer with these specs:

Intel Xeon E5 with 10MB L3 cache and Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz

64GB RAM

Which isn’t usable as a Mac workstation just because it’s stopped receiving software updates even though it has MORE than enough power to be running a version of MacOS that’s still receiving security updates… :cry:

I’m only trying to help people who are considering running the unofficial MacOS software updater. Running this type of unofficial software comes with many dangers.

You’re referring to the trash can Mac Pro. You can get for <$100 a mini PC from Dell/Lenovo/HP with more CPU power that idles at a fraction of the power.
$85: Lenovo ThinkCentre M75Q-1 Ryzen 3 Pro 3200GE 8GB RAM 128GB SSD MFF Desktop PC | eBay
comparison: Intel Xeon E5-1620 v2 vs AMD Ryzen 3 3200GE [cpubenchmark.net] by PassMark Software
Slap 64GB into one and you’re still saving $100+ over the going price of the Mac Pro 2013.

As for why Apple may not want to support that 12 year old CPU: it may lack certain instructions or features that they want to ensure are utilized.

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