Frustrated by Proton, but really not seeing an alternative

Thanks for your reply and suggestions!

@bigdzi May I ask why?

I know, I complained about the unfair disproportion in pricing:
$6.5 for Mail and SL vs $8 for unlimited
But that is probably just my internal problem rather than a valid criticism.

No, I don’t. :smile: I do a local backup and delete useless emails once in a blue moon and I am fine with that.

Oh, I messed that up.
I meant automatic contact sync on android.

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I don’t have google play services and all the proton android apps are working fine for me. I got them using obtainium. https://apps.obtainium.imranr.dev/

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But no notification then, I suppose.
(Unless you also use You Have Mail)

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I personally use Riseup and have for years, however it’s invite only and have paused invites temporarily. I also would wait on Black Friday deals for ProtonMail when it comes around. Best time to get it if you’re looking for decent prices.

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But Zero Access is like a marketing trick? They do say private keys are generated client-side with their ‘trusted js’, yet you can not be sure about it, they can store a copy of it like Super easy. While zero knowledge is about client generates keys/passwords himself without service providing any ‘trusted js’…

Or as example Proton Drive is zero-access. Cryptomator container stored on Proton Drive is zero knowledge.

Sure. Because no easy support of external mail apps.

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I’m not hating, but I don’t get why people need/want notifications for email. Just check it a few times throughout the day. If something is time sensitive it should be be emailed or there should be a call/text ahead of time saying the email was sent be on the lookout.

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Try that in a business environment

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Yea man, good luck with this approach in business setting…
Truth is you’d be workless in no time…

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I see this mentioned often and have a question. Although a copy of the email is on the senders server, if someone wanted to get access to your email, isn’t it still much harder with Proton?

What would their game plan be? Check every possible site you might use from the senders side? That sounds way harder than if the emails were stored unencrypted and everything is in one place for them.

I don’t want their crappy VPN (linux user here)

Linux user here as well. What about phone VPN?
I actually use proton VPN on the phone and in one browser where I want to control country (browser extension). Otherwise for the rest of the system I have Safing’s Portmaster (payed in Monero yayy). I found that to be the best combo.

Then the Proton Docs were announced … the amount of money and time it had to take

I don’t think time. They acquired Simple Notes and I think they mostly copy/pasted their solution. Also note that

a) Each team has different expertise, its not like you can have e.g. calendar developers and make them work on VPN.

b) that also mean you need to find specific developers on the market for particular case, which is not easy, trust me I am a developer :grinning:

c) Also there is only so much developers you can use at a time - its like if you want to dig a hole. If you put 100 people (instead of e.g. 5) for a 5x5 hole you will probably slow the process down.

Just to let you know, its not alwasy black and white. Good or bad.

Just to be clear, they aquired Standard Notes
and aquired Simple Login

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Yes, my bad, I meant Standard Notes, thanks :slight_smile:

I have my voip set to send all voicemail and sms to my Proton account if the sip app isn’t running. I need real-time email notifications.

Hypothetically, does this hold good for other providers recommended by Privacy Guides?

Can you please describe it? Actually, I’m going to take a paid plan in Posteo and Mailbox, so I need to know that.
I was a user of both Proton and Tuta, as I only receive mails, so I didn’t face any major problems, but there are mainly two reasons for switching.

  • Their strongest level of encryption only works under the same provider, which is not possible most of the time.
  • They are building their own ecosystem, which I really don’t like. I always prefer decentralisation in privacy.

Personally, I have been using the Mail plus with simple login premium like you were talking about. It is expensive and I was originally on proton unlimited, but I want to spread my eggs out a bit. I understand the frustration. I hate how proton is pricing things, but I must say that it is a great starter option for someone looking to begin their privacy journey.

I’m using mega (drive and vpn), riseup (mail), disroot (calendar / contacts via nextcloud) and syncthing for keepass databases

I uh wonder why mega exactly?
Do you really trust them by any chance? Then again it varies from person to person but like why not Mullvad + Protn Drive (Or Tuta Drive if that comes out?) for example.

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because I want a zero-knowledge solution, and MEGA offers a lot of space at a very reasonable price. But I´d like to self-host a nextcloud when i get the hardware to do so.