Cloudflare CEO threatens to withdraw services in Italy

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@anon69871701

It might make it easier for you to justify your ideology by quoting disparate items and implying some connection, but these weird divinations remain out of reach for us mere mortals. If you regain the spirit to argue in good faith, feel free to read again what you quoted.

The quotes were on point. I have no ideology to defend, i was merely trying to understand the course of action you were suggesting CF to take since you’ve said contradictory things. So what do you want in the end? Are CF allowed to leave Italy or not?

@anon69871701

Clearly a good faith person

The proposed narrative for deplatforming was debunked, Kiwifarms users never drove anyone to commit suicide. Doxxing was prohibited and users were punished for it on forums. CF left Kiwifarms due to social pressure, regardless of the facts. I used the word woke as an attribution to a specific group of people. The term in itself isn’t derogative. It’s also descriptive and specific enough to be understood by an average person without second guessing the group of people it attributes. So what kind of bad faith behavior are you implying?

@anon69871701

How do you get this? Does “XYZ is an extension of ABC” mean the same as “blame XYZ for ABC” in the language you know?

You didn’t say XYZ is an extension of ABC, leaving people to guess what actions of CF were imperialistic. I was attempting to clarify your position while addressing different possible stances.

@anon69871701

My point was this is an extension of the American Imperialism.

Great. How so? Are you saying that the mere fact of Cloudflare defending freedom of speech is an extension of the american imperialism? What part of this interaction is imperialistic?

@anon69871701

I recommend DeepL over Google translate in that case, preserves the nuance more.

I’m fine with my broken English.

@anon69871701

No, you are just imposing your idea of what I said on what I actually said

Of course i did. Your ragebait post had no nuance, didn’t expand your position in any way and left a lot of room for guessing what you were actually butthurt about. Hence why i’m asking all these clarification questions.

@anon69871701

Hope you are able to recover from using terms like “woke” in civilized discussions

What’s wrong with using this word?

@anon69871701

No, you are just imposing your idea of what I said on what I actually said. I never said it is imposing the will of US government or CF’s decision is a USG decision.

Once again, i was implying your stance due to a lack of actual arguments here, and a couple of other posters were implying this position by citing news related to government actions.

@anon69871701

I cannot comprehend what this is even talking about.

You were bragging about living in a modern day republic with democratic institutions that will supposedly sort things out. Judging by the history of this lawsuits around Piracy Guard involving ISPs and many other entities apart from CF, the Italian/EU republic didn’t save itself.

@anon69871701

But I also think this should not be something an infrastructure provider threatens countries with, and calls the free services it gives to keep goodwill and have the influence it is trying to leverage right now as “charity” when they are clearly marketing costs for a company that needs trust from nations to operate effectively.)

That’s exactly how leaving the country looks like. Why would CF spend their marketing budget on a country where it doesn’t operate? Please clarify what Cloudflare should do at the end of the day from your POV.

What exactly in this interaction between CF and Italy smells like american imperialism and why is it problematic?