Brave Launches Paid, Bloat-Free "Brave Origin"

[win11.shading291]

Brave Origin should have been the free version. The bloatware one with all the features should have been the paid version. They probably realized it too late.

The classic way to make a product paid is by having a free version with less feature and making customers pay for new desired features they would want.

The opposite makes absolutely no sense to me.

[anonymous549]

@win11.shading291

making customers pay for new desired features they would want.

It gets mirky when the desired feature is to have less features.

[Blackbird]

You won’t find an expert willing to work for just 60€ for half an hour, so the complaints are unjustified. It’s a low-cost no-brainer in my book.

[Cobson]

why would they offer the browser that generates no revenue for free, and the one with all the features (that most poeple dont want tbf) paid?

[Cyber-Typhoon (Always leveling up)]

It seems that you are describing the model from Kagi with their Orion browser. Although they don’t offer crippled/stripped non fully featured browser for free. Do you use their browser?

Are you saying that you maybe prefer to buy a browser and not have access to certain features on the free model? What would you be willing to give up from the Brave Origin to use a free tier?

[any1]

@anon77345381

As for the security of Chromium vs. Firefox, I do not claim to have any credential on the matter, but I think that Chromium’s security advantage over Firefox is heavily overstated; mostly due to the virulent spread of an older article written by Madaidan that criticized Firefox, and interpreted by the online masses with varying levels of technical understanding.

While I cannot speak for everything mentioned in the blog, some things have improved e.g 1302711 - Investigate possibility to restrict sys_ioctl arguments , while other things have had no work done at all 510629 - (cfi) [meta] Ship Control Flow Integrity (CFI) or https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1546873

[dadnerd]

This is a very “western" centric mindset. €60 is literally a monthly income in certain parts of the world, and over the vast majority of the world, “experts” (whatever you mean by that) are not earning nearly €120 per hour.

[Blackbird]

I calculated it using my company’s price before VAT.

[ph00lt0]

I guess it is similar to Youtube Premium, you get no bloat/ads for money.

[ph00lt0]

The best outcome would be that this will be so succesful that Brave doesnt bother the bloated version anymore and only sells the Origin version.

[win11.shading291]

@anonymous549

It gets mirky when the desired feature is to have less features.

@Cobson

why would they offer the browser that generates no revenue for free, and the one with all the features (that most poeple dont want tbf) paid?

When you navigate in a forum such as this one, it may seem like everyone wants the same, i.e.: no bloatware and less feature, but most of the time, the reason those companies add these “features” to begin with is because the customers asked for them.

We are not the mass unfortunately.

@Cyber-Typhoon

It seems that you are describing the model from Kagi with their Orion browser. Although they don’t offer crippled/stripped non fully featured browser for free. Do you use their browser?

I’m describing the model that most serviced-base company use. If you’d like examples in the privacy world: Proton, Bitwarden, Tuta, Standard Notes, Signal has now started as well, Duckduckgo (AI), etc.

@Cyber-Typhoon

Are you saying that you maybe prefer to buy a browser and not have access to certain features on the free model? What would you be willing to give up from the Brave Origin to use a free tier?

I’m saying they probably realized too late and are trying to monetize. When you provide something for free, it’s extremely hard to take it back. Give you kid a candybar and try to remove it from them after, see the result.

What should have happened IMO is have the Brave browser free and all the other crap paid (I mean no disrespect lol). I’m talking about Leo, Wallet, Brave News, Brave Talk, Brave VPN, etc.

[polyester_apricot650]

I’m actually not against paying for a browser, but then my expectations and the direction of the company will have to change. I don’t know if there is a market for having the most private and secure browser in the world. Brave should look into it, and no bloat should be the default with a paid option.

[donutfreak (DF)]

@win11.shading291

I’m saying they probably realized too late and are trying to monetize. When you provide something for free, it’s extremely hard to take it back. Give you kid a candybar and try to remove it from them after, see the result.

I’m not sure Brave Origin has a goal of being their only offering or their major offering. I think they have resistance on other dimensions and are using Origin to close those:

• Linux distros that won’t include Brave due to the revenue generating features (News, ads, crypto, Talk, wallet, etc)
• Corporations and businesses that don’t want their employees to get ads in their web surfing but don’t want their users to have crypto, ads, Talk and some of the other features that might distract them from work.

I like the Speedreader and Reading List features, among the ads removal. Speedreader isnt in Origin. Otherwise, I’d probably use/buy it.

[seize]

@donutfreak

Linux distros that won’t include Brave due to the revenue generating features (News, ads, crypto, Talk, wallet, etc)

Speculation here, but I think this might partially be why Brave Origin is free on Linux. Perhaps Brave is hoping that this will entice some distros to include Brave Origin as a default or out of box browser.

[donutfreak (DF)]

Possibly. Or Linux might be such a tiny part of their business vs Windows, Mac, Android and IOS and users there.

Brave might have gotten word that Firefox was experimenting with the Brave ad-block engine too.

[Gabriela]

@donutfreak

Speedreader isnt in Origin. Otherwise, I’d probably use/buy it.

It’s on Origin, but only if you update from regular Brave.

[polyester_apricot650]

How will that make them money?

[seize]

I don’t know (at least not right now, I’d have to think on it), that’s why I prefaced that statement as being speculation. Currently I think I’m leaning more towards what @donutfreak and others in this thread have said in that:

@donutfreak

Linux might be such a tiny part of their business vs Windows, Mac, Android and IOS and users there.

Basically, Brave might have decided that it was not worth trying to charge desktop Linux users since the make up a small margin of their user base.

[escapable]

I use it, have been enjoying it.

[yes]

@seize

Speculation here, but I think this might partially be why Brave Origin is free on Linux. Perhaps Brave is hoping that this will entice some distros to include Brave Origin as a default or out of box browser.

It probably is.