Zen Browser

LibreWolf is also better than stock Firefox but isn’t recommended for various reasons that also apply to Zen Browser.

Just a note that the main feature implementations (sidebar, vertical tabs, tab groups and workspace) of Floorp and Zen are their own developments

Agreed. I work at Mozilla as an engineer for Firefox, and I’m generally happy to see this.

I currently work on tab groups, and I’m curious to see what their implementation will look like or whether they’ll try to fast-track our work-in-progress once that’s somewhat viable.

For the sidebar and vertical tabs, they seem to have implemented their own thing rather than using what our team has been working on. At a first glance, the results look similar. I wonder if they’ll want to ditch their implementation once we’ve released, as forking this stuff long-term may not be super cost efficient.

Just a little clarification so others won’t misunderstand when reading the comments in the future.


In general, these projects should not be brought to here, just done more harm to those devs.

I probably agree, the forum is about privacy and security. When it comes to privacy and security, Zen Browser doesn’t do anything that Mullvad Browser or even Librewolf doesn’t do.

Not sure about the harm part, nobody in here is trying to harm anyone.

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Are you against offering open source private alternatives to popular “productivity browsers” like Vivaldi, Arc, and Edge ? I don’t like this gatekeeping rationale for recommendations.

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Yeah, sure.

It also puts a barrier in place for random scammer to make an app and get it trusted.

I see no point in using an unsigned web browser as there really is nothing to offer.

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The signing issue seems to be resolved

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Any idea on how much it is to pay for signing certificate on macOS and is it one time or yearly ?

It’s just their yearly developer fee. $100ish?


Well anyways I just signed up for Zen Browser’s Patreon, this is way better UX than whatever Mozilla’s cooking up in their nightly builds.

I don’t know if I’ll switch to using it (yet?), but it’s good to have an open source project that is making something actually usable for people who use their browser a lot, and it’s good to financially support open source projects :sunglasses:

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