The discussion surrounding Remove ProtonVPN - #332 by ph00lt0 is so random and all over the place, that I am not even going to attempt to sort it out and try to move some posts over here. See: [image] Remove ProtonVPN hammer_and_wrenchTool Suggestions They may…

[image] Overall-Bet3743: “This has nothing to do with ProtonVPN” - really? I can only tell you what is true from our perspective. If we made any change to accommodate a specific provider, the change was made specifically to accommodate IVPN on iOS, which people seemed to feel was reasonable. …

[image] jonah: agree, but I’m not sure I know what you’re proposing [image] jonah: If Apple does not provide a way to do this then it seems like our answer will be no imo, VPN clients must be required to use macOS provided (pf) or iOS/macOS assisted (includeAllNetworks / enforceRoutes)…

This is an incredibly long thread, could someone please explain to a non technical Mac user , what the issue is with vpn’s on Mac OS and which if any are recommended. I have tor browser on all my machines so it’s more best options for use with say brave browser. I have a proton account, can use Win…

[image] ignoramous: use macOS provided (pf) or iOS/macOS assisted (includeAllNetworks / enforceRoutes) killswitches In this case if we go with this criteria then Proton VPN’s behavior would seem to be acceptable, just to be clear.

[image] dngray: I think we really should focus on achieving this at a router level, because it’s how you avoid all the leaks because of various quirks. I understand where this perspective is coming from, and I partially agree with it. Implementing the VPN and kill switch at the router level c…

[image] Cyber-Typhoon: A lot of people don’t actually want every device on their network to be permanently behind a VPN or in a strict kill switch state. This feels obvious so I am surprised you did not touch on it but, I would point out that you do not need to have every device under a VPN j…

I’ve read the entirety of all 5 threads related to removing Proton VPN and I’d like to validate my understanding as the issue seem technical. First, from reading the threads, I believe the below is what most agrees on: [image] Overall-Bet3743: What should you require of VPN providers on macOS? …

[image] win11.shading291: From my understanding, using a VPN’s kill-switch is not bulletproof (like on OSboot) and this should simply be explained in the VPN page. Yes, I’d certainly agree with this quote.

▶ context [image] jonah: If Apple does not provide a way to do this then it seems like our answer will be no, we won’t require VPN clients to do this on macOS. I can’t tell you with certainty though until we actually figure out this in detail. I need to do more digging since I haven’t seen anyone…

What should we require of VPN providers on macOS?

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anonymous549 (anonymous549) March 11, 2026, 8:18pm 71

This feels obvious so I am surprised you did not touch on it but, I would point out that you do not need to have every device under a VPN just because you have the VPN on the router level instead. This is what VLANs and policy based routing is for.

All the PG tools in the Router Firmware - Privacy Guides have forums and other resources that provide very accessible guides on how to achieve this.

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What should we require of VPN providers on macOS?

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