The discussion surrounding Remove ProtonVPN - #332 by ph00lt0 is so random and all over the place, that I am not even going to attempt to sort it out and try to move some posts over here. See: [image] Remove ProtonVPN hammer_and_wrenchTool Suggestions They may…

As noted here and in the PR, this change has nothing to do with Proton VPN in the first place, so your conclusion does not really follow the facts of the matter. Otherwise, I see your perspective on the rest of your post.

[image] jonah: As noted here and in the PR, this change has nothing to do with Proton VPN in the first place, so your conclusion does not really follow the facts of the matter. Otherwise, I see your perspective on the rest of your post. “This has nothing to do with ProtonVPN” - really? The c…

[image] Overall-Bet3743: “This has nothing to do with ProtonVPN” - really? I can only tell you what is true from our perspective. If we made any change to accommodate a specific provider, the change was made specifically to accommodate IVPN on iOS, which people seemed to feel was reasonable. …

[image] jonah: agree, but I’m not sure I know what you’re proposing [image] jonah: If Apple does not provide a way to do this then it seems like our answer will be no imo, VPN clients must be required to use macOS provided (pf) or iOS/macOS assisted (includeAllNetworks / enforceRoutes)…

This is an incredibly long thread, could someone please explain to a non technical Mac user , what the issue is with vpn’s on Mac OS and which if any are recommended. I have tor browser on all my machines so it’s more best options for use with say brave browser. I have a proton account, can use Win…

[image] ignoramous: use macOS provided (pf) or iOS/macOS assisted (includeAllNetworks / enforceRoutes) killswitches In this case if we go with this criteria then Proton VPN’s behavior would seem to be acceptable, just to be clear.

[image] dngray: I think we really should focus on achieving this at a router level, because it’s how you avoid all the leaks because of various quirks. I understand where this perspective is coming from, and I partially agree with it. Implementing the VPN and kill switch at the router level c…

[image] Cyber-Typhoon: A lot of people don’t actually want every device on their network to be permanently behind a VPN or in a strict kill switch state. This feels obvious so I am surprised you did not touch on it but, I would point out that you do not need to have every device under a VPN j…

[image] anonymous549: This feels obvious so I am surprised you did not touch on it but, I would point out that you do not need to have every device under a VPN just because you have the VPN on the router level instead. This is what VLANs and policy based routing is for. All the PG tools in the R…

I’ve read the entirety of all 5 threads related to removing Proton VPN and I’d like to validate my understanding as the issue seem technical. First, from reading the threads, I believe the below is what most agrees on: [image] Overall-Bet3743: What should you require of VPN providers on macOS? …

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jonah (Jonah Aragon) March 11, 2026, 7:27pm 69

In this case if we go with this criteria then Proton VPN’s behavior would seem to be acceptable, just to be clear.

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