The discussion surrounding Remove ProtonVPN - #332 by ph00lt0 is so random and all over the place, that I am not even going to attempt to sort it out and try to move some posts over here. See: [image] Remove ProtonVPN hammer_and_wrenchTool Suggestions They may…

Previously, I commented that I felt a warning should probably be added for users running Proton VPN on macOS. I think that point is still somewhat reasonable (maybe even for Linux as well, although Linux is a different discussion since systems there are extremely modular and users can harden things …

I am glad it changed your perspective. You understand it correctly here.

[image] jonah: hacky workarounds like pfctl filters What prompted you to say that a system firewall is a “hacky workarounds”? This is a kernel subsystem and how people are doing packet filtering since as long as I know. macOS is not unique here and Network Extensions are a no way a replacemen…

[image] privacycarrot: Trust me bro is not a source, and claims from this post were already refuted in the thread I understand this is a language issue. But source has a different meaning in this sentence. I find this one a bit funny so don’t worry.

[image] privacycarrot: hacky Because you have to hack together a solution with unsupported features instead of a well-defined API, using pfctl in a consumer application is by definition a hacky workaround. It’s not a judgemental statement, it just is what it is when Apple says: Do not use P…

I might recommend an alternative solution: explicitly recommend against Apple systems on the OS recommendation page, for threat models that include network surveillance Proton is a symptom, not the cause: Apple does not support robust network proxies for privacy / anonymity: The Apple recommended…

I would imagine TorVPN would suffer from this issue. This is typically why you’d want to use Tor Browser for browsing Tor, which can better control the network stack it uses internally, instead of offloading all networking to the OS. I think I agree but I might instead place a warning about macOS o…

PF is well supported on macOS. Apple may have a lot of reasons to say what they are saying but this is not necessarily relevant to what VPN clients want to do. Not to sound rude but please do some research before claiming something.

If you read the links mostly @dngray posted you would have seen that apple is actively advertising that developers must move away from pf because they seem to want to remove support for it.

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Another source with these conclusions earlier was here Remove ProtonVPN - #204 by 6sxbi

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