I’m not one to disagree with using a VPN. If you want to hide from the NSA, VPNs are not really the tool in the first place. At the same time, would you still recommend VPNs if it were confirmed that they subjected you to NSA spying? There is a difference between shifting trust from your ISP to a VPN provider and having your internet traffic spied on as though you were not a US citizen with rights.
If VPNs do in fact act as a technical loophole, this of course brings privacy concerns and requires deeper analyses than “which i argue is utterly absurd, laughably so.” We will just have to wait for the answer, but I doubt that we will ever be given it. Let’s hope Tulsi Gabbard proves me wrong. As it stands, I will continue to use a VPN. My threat model includes surveillance capitalism, not the NSA.
It’s a figure of speech implying that i disagree with the viewpoint…. But i know that you know that, you’re just being difficult. Is there something you want? A debate? I stated a view, disagree with a point if you want, otherwise…….
Yes forsure; if you’re being “spied on” (data sold, whatever) either way, then taking some easy basic steps in potentially the right direction (that happen to also come with convenience (location spoofing, ad blockers, etc)) seems like a no-brainer. Nym, Obscura, the big 3, new torvpn. .
Either one makes a case for their points or they don’t. Drive by ‘figure of speech’ (passive aggressive or otherwise) doesn’t add anything to the discussion (not debate!) and is a recipe for threads veering off-topic (as you can tell from the back and forth following that comment on this thread).
Don’t have to use a public VPN providers for this, who may or may not be covertly logging /monitoring network flows (for whatever reasons: law enforcement, abuse prevention, etc). Of self-hosted deployments on VPSes (like Outline Foundation’s getoutline.org[1][2] or Trail’s algo[3]), we can be super sure there’s no logs (though the VPS provider might log, but that is possible in the case of public VPN providers too… unless they completely own the data centers running their VPN servers, which is not at all common).
I contribute to the project, but I am not associated with them. ↩︎
We had to remove one provider (planned to launch with two; one hopping over the other) due to lack of support
Right now, we’re testing RPN with friends, and reviewing the setup with pros; fixing the bugs and shortcomings they report. And once we’re confident of the quality, we’ll press launch (we’re cleared for production-use by the lone partner provider and from the networking-side of things things look solid, if I may say so myself… the UI has rough edges; I don’t work on the UI so I can’t really say when it’ll be done).
Since we’re launching with just one provider (and only on Play Store), we are thinking whether we should run another (the already implemented) hop ourselves, but this will double the cost of the current plan to ~$50/yr instead of $25/yr.
