Tutanota posted misleading (?) post on Twitter

That’s the post, I agree except the “Use Linux instead of Windows & Apple”, I’m pretty sure this has nothing to do with what was passed today with chat control 1? And the post in general is very unclear that this was already happening for 3 years and not something new. I feel like the post is likely LLM written and misleading/fear mongering/doom-posting, maybe I’m wrong though.

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Using GrapheneOS and Linux could be helpful if E2EE apps are blocked from being installed or if client-side scanning was implemented because these OSes wouldn’t add those restrictions.

Wait, if you read the post, it says, “Here’s what to do to stay private on the internet” before listing those suggestons. It’s not particularly about chatcontrol.

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True, I wish they made it a bit clearer :confused: from the post alone without any other context, things seem much worse than they (currently) are

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I don’t see any misleading statement. “Chat control” can only be implemented on devices that aren’t user-controlled. It can be trivially bypassed on free Linux/Android devices.

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Most of their blog posts and social media is SEO LLM Garbage. Same goes for proton as well, this is nothing new.

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Another vote on the extension was yesterday. It is current news.

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Tutanota social media account is famous for misinformation and $lop. GrapheneOS has pointed out this and replied many times.

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GraphenOS instead of GrapheneOS, this is not an LLM, it would not make these mistakes.

While not wrong, tech giants also just continued scanning even though chat control was paused Chat control: Tech giants want to continue scanning despite expired EU rules | heise online

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And for f*ck sakes Europeans have got to stop blaming American private companies for the awful policies passed by European politicians.

And guess who is aggressively lobbying for these types of laws in the EU (and everywhere else)?

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I can’t speak for other Europeans, only for me and what I assume to be the opinion of those close to me, but let me be clear that we are not blaming the American part of it.
We are blaming invasive companies no matter where they come from.
We’re on the same side as privacy-minded Americans.

You can also be sure that those companies themselves frankly don’t care about where they’re from and don’t operate under any kind of patriotic thought.
They’re fully disconnected (as you should be to run a company this big).

And as was mentioned above, they lobby for the adoption of such rules.
It’s not like Europol asked for hundreds of thousands of reports and a system entirely dependent on discretion and disclosure of a private company instead of working independently under their own guidelines, which had many huge successes in the past 15 years.

But man, I hate that Tuta is this aggressive and sensationalist with some of their tweets…
Really works against my intent to use their paid services any time soon…

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Can someone quote what they find misleading about Tuta’s post?

I see like 5 comments in this thread about how bad this statement is, none of them quote the inaccurate statement from the tweet.

I see a two things but they are minor:

  • The majority didn’t vote for it but somehow it still passed so they did approve it. But the wording that they voted for it is a little weird, but I don’t really blame Tuta. First of all it’s a minute detail, but mostly it’s just a weird thing the EU does that I don’t understand. Maybe their terminology is completely fine and I’m over-focused, this just demonstrates that it’s a perfectly fine post.

  • The first flag doesn’t mention e2ee preventing ChatControl, but it’s implied with the follow up about Signal/Tuta

For one thing, this law does not mandate scanning or lead to automatic scanning. It makes it legal for services to opt in to scan non-E2EE messages.

Also nothing changed. This just continued what was already happening by another two years.

It’s the Chat Control 2.0 you have to be worried about. That’s the one mandating client side scanning for E2EE platforms, which basically means a backdoor.

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