Proton Pass UI and UX are very good, and as far as I know, Bitwarden is rewriting their Android client in Kotlin, so the UI and UX will probably improve too. Just look at Bitwarden Authenticator.
Proton Pass is moving in the right direction, I’ll give it that. When both are on par with 1Password, I’d be the first one championing its removal from the site, but as of now, their feature set is frankly laughable in comparison to 1Password, especially the implementation. If Proton Pass in particular didn’t carry the same price tag as 1Password, it’d be easier to stomach its many shortcomings. There is also no way to get a family subscription for Proton Pass without also paying for their entire suite of apps.
Also, if it’s not fair to disregard software just because it’s proprietary, then I guess let’s recommend proprietary solutions in all the categories? Not only in the Password Managers category.
I never argued for it to this degree, but since we’re on the topic: If they’re clearly better than the FOSS alternatives, then why not? I don’t like the religious obsession with stuff having to be FOSS. Use the right tool for the right purpose, that’s my policy.
It’s also very important to understand why 1Password is proprietary. 1Password is VC funded, and open sourcing their clients, etc. wouldn’t be a good business idea, and VC investors probably wouldn’t be too happy about it.
That’s a valid point, but until they act up - and let’s be honest, their track record does not point in that direction - we should keep them on the site.
like Proton Pass, which is fully independent and whose business model is selling services to customers, which leads to a situation where customers are the priority because the customers are the ones keeping the company alive.
I personally don’t like how they try to push you into buying into an ecosystem. I’m out here trying to avoid vendor lock-in as much as possible and definitely don’t wanna be locked into using their apps. They employ way too many dark patterns for me to simply skip over them and act like they’re so benevolent in comparison to the VC-funded alternative.
Just yesterday, I gave Proton a chance. Seeing how they are VERY intransparent about what feature is paid and which isn’t, in addition to their less than favorable marketing with regards to competitors and the ability of their products as of late, I would not bet on them still prioritizing their users in 5 years. But obviously this is all speculation and I’d be more than happy to be wrong (otherwise we’d be fucked), just like with 1Password. Until then both should stay up, and the FOSS requirement scrapped for the time being.
My point is: there is no good or bad company. They’re all exploitative dip-shits, only vary by degree. If the product is good, it should stay up, if it isn’t anymore, we should take it down. The FOSS requirement in the password manager space is IMO too hasty when the FOSS alternatives aren’t mature enough or have feature parity with their proprietary counterparts.