Why should this tool be removed? ProtonVPN should be removed from recommendations as its kill switch for MacOs is known to not work: When switching to another ProtonVPN server On computer boot up → In both of these instances, the user’s real IP becomes exposed to any online service it is connect…

Listen folks. The reason this thread is so ridiculous is because nobody can decide what they think the problem actually is. I think there are really three problems here, while everything else seems irrelevant to Proton VPN itself. Pick the problem you actually care about and talk about it there: Wh…

An Apple user sent me this: [apple] Which does kind of sound like it’s intentional. Was the expectation that a VPN made you anonymous from Apple themselves? I think Proton VPN was very clear that’s not the case.

[image] ph00lt0: hacky and not a durable solution You’re not kidding there, I had a look at some of the source… One of them uses bash scripts to manually pfctl -a rules which is a big no no sometimes if you’ve already got rules all sorts of things can happen. In Linux land we always use ipta…

I don’t think this specifically is apple exclusive, Android/AOSP isnt too different - even GrapheneOS users can’t force all network traffic through the VPN, captive portals & connectivity checks will not enter the VPN tunnel. Less to do with anonymity, more to do with basic network integrity Now, l…

[image] privacy.slouchy: captive portals & connectivity checks will not enter the VPN tunnel Which is what you’d want otherwise you’d have no internet for the VPN to even work on. [image] privacy.slouchy: Now, letting app developers specify network traffic to not enter the VPN tunnel? Th…

[image] dngray: Nothing specific, beyond “it doesn’t happen with pf, but it happens with Network Extensions”. Nobody managed to dig up that Apple technical notice ( TN3165 ) which actually points out very clearly pf is deprecated with wording like I don’t think you can draw this conclusion from…

[image] Grapeg: If PG is not going to enforce its own criteria, then there is no point in having them That makes me feel better about using LMDE7 instead of a recommended distro.

[image] privacycarrot: I’m not Apple though, so who knows what are they up to but I’d be extremely surprised if they just removed a firewall from their base system without providing an alternative. Especially given they need this functionality themselves and they know users need it as well. A…

Current update: Following the changes at Remove IVPN - #22 by jonah the fact that Proton’s kill switch is not fully functional in all scenarios on macOS is no longer enough of a concern for us to warrant delisting it, because VPN providers cannot control platform limitations. However, two issues wi…

[image] jonah: this is no longer a technical issue for us Also, to be clear, this does not mean we can’t note this fact anyways. Regardless of our decision on Proton, this PR is submitted to @team to review: update: Warning about Proton kill…

[image] ph00lt0: Apple’s architecture makes it nearly impossible to make a functioning kill switch. This is a misleading statement. NetworkExtension docs do mention that for VPNs using includeAllNetworks (a form of a ‘killswitch’) will prevent traffic from bypassing the VPN for advertised rou…

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