Phoenix, arkenfox fundamental differences

Privacy Questions
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  • there is an ongoing discussion about mull successor [ 1 ]
  • ironically, ironfox is claiming to be successor of mull
  • i do have objection [ my personal opinion ] based on fact that ironfox doesnt use arkenfox, see release notes of version 134 [ 2 ]
  • never heard about phoenix!
  • as far i know arkenfox provides privacy
  • what are the fundamental differences between phoenix and arkenfox? [ please state only facts only! ]

[ 1 ] Add IronFox to F-Droid (Mull continued) - F-Droid Forum
[ 2 ] IronFox v134.0 · IronFox OSS / IronFox · GitLab

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Nope, we have never claimed to be the ‘successor’ of Mull. I already explained this in my reply to you on the F-Droid forum:

Both IronFox & Mull share the same fundamental vision & ideals of improving the privacy, security, & freedom of Firefox on Android, and contain many of the same hardening, patches/build scripts, and other features. IronFox is indeed not a ‘true successor’ to Mull; as it is not developed by Divested Computing Group, so it wouldn’t be fair to claim it or any other fork is… our goal is to simply carry on the spirit of Mull and continue Tavi’s excellent work on the project.

I also explained this in the F-Droid thread:

See here for a comparison table. (IronFox uses the Phoenix Hardened configs, so the bottom table for Advanced Hardening also applies). It’s a little outdated, though most of it still applies. IronFox does make a few changes from Phoenix as well (Most notably: IronFox disables DNS over HTTPS & disables Safe Browsing by default (at least that’s the goal…)), but this should still give you a nice idea of the broader picture and what to expect.

Generally speaking: Phoenix contains the same hardening as Arkenfox & Mull; while being more comprehensive & also specifically tailored to Android. Many of the preferences were indeed taken from Arkenfox & Mull, as well as from Tor, & various other places. A lot have also simply been added from my own research & studying of Firefox’s codebase.

I hope this addresses your concerns, assuming you are acting in good faith.

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Why is that?

The user has joined ~2h ago, so…

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Unfortunately, Firefox on Android doesn’t currently expose DoH in the UI settings; it can only be configured via the about:config.

We set the default DoH provider (if DoH is enabled) to Quad9, and since it’s not exposed anywhere in the UI; we didn’t want to send users’ DNS queries to a third party like this without them knowing.

In the future, we plan to add options for configuring DoH to the onboarding (as well as Safe Browsing), so that users can decide for themselves what to use, and be fully aware of the changes they make.

We definitely do recommend using DoH or DoT for privacy & security reasons.

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  • any curious person might have gone through entire conversations
  • i am frankly and openly stated my reasons
  • you are primary, i can also say that nobody is more intelligent than me in the whole universe!
  • other persons [ third party ] with lot of experience might may agree or disagree with appropriate reasoning
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  • keyword privacy guides in search engine led me to create an account and start thread
  • another keyword privacy, which is most valuable to me!
  • honestly, i am looking for fundamental differences between phoenix and arkenfox
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You can’t even apply arkenfox the traditional way on android, you’d have to manually enter each about:config property on Firefox Beta?