Children already do that now with cigarettes and vapes. But we penalize the people who sell them that.
And still harder for them to get it anyways not impossible but harder
Children will always try to break the system for loopholes they don’t like authority or being told what to do. Even if it is in their best interest.
Thanks for sharing the read 
interesting point on the government being a conflicting source.
I would argue that most often “lousy parents” result from a lack of resources available to the parent(s). In the case of parents with disabilities, they should have access to effective childcare to help them provide another supervisory role they may not be able to provide on their own. This is the stance shared by Prevent Child Abuse America, which says that increasing access to affordable childcare, affordable housing, affordable healthcare, and parental education would enable most parents to not be lousy in the first place. On the other hand, the stigma that can come from the government or society judging them to be “bad parents” like this can worsen the issues faced by both the parents and children.
Robust, voluntary, and parent-defined parental controls available across devices alongside training interested parents on how and when to configure them could be a tool towards this purpose.
To be honest, even though I’m not totally opposed to the regulation I stated above, this idea that we need a standard set of parental controls is not really true. Effective parental controls already exist across all major device manufacturers. Parents simply do not use them, either because they do not know how (which better education can solve), or because I think in many cases parents are just opposed to using them, which is why they are also opposed to age verification.
Yes, which is again why the government checking in isn’t necessary 
Nowhere in my proposal does the government check in. You have to go in to the governmental office to get the yubikey yourself. Then you can use the key as many times as you want as the adult for a year. (As, in you buy a new device to setup)
It would be the teachers and educators who would be checking in as they could see if children have adult or children profiles on their devices. As if it’s a standard it can be easily recognized when they are searching things they shouldn’t. Or they could even be thing on the phone that says child or teen profile and if it’s not there on the phone then that can be recognized.
The fact of the yubikeys is to have a standard in so it’s not easy for kids to get it easily. Yes they would be loopholes but it would be just as hard as it is to get cigarettes and vapes and Make it illegal for adults to sell them said devices with adult profiles
The government is “checking in” when you obtain your one-time key from them in the first place.
They are also “checking in” by making this system mandatory to all parents, instead of just parents who request this resource. The vast majority of parents are doing perfectly fine on their own without this intervention.
Yes but checking in means surveilling you.
The standard is that every device is locked. So why would they need to check in on you if every device is locked. There is no way to use the device until it’s verified by an adult. So nobody can use devices until they’re verified by an adult.
It is a standard they wouldn’t need to be checking to see if adults are doing it because they have to do it anyways.
The educators would be the ones doing the checking on the children as they could see their device. Or even other parents.
but then why over just educating parents on utilizing the parental tools already existing on all Major devices (Google[Android/Services], Microsoft[Windows/Xbox], Nintendo, Amazon, Apple and even Meta [Services/VR])
The only government involvement I see is when you need to obtain the key which Is just verifying that you are over 18 and they already have your information for that.
They are just trying to make sure you are not a 17-year-old trying to get the key.
But once you leave that office it doesn’t matter. How the key is used other than verifying a device.
Because it’s not a standard and there’s no penalties if children don’t use child profiles or teen profiles anyways
Unless there is a standard then yeah I don’t see the issue being fixed.
That could be another remedy that there hould be penalties if adults don’t set up a child or teen account profile on their devices? But then that can cause surveillance because maybe the government may want a check on that.
Doesn’t need to be my solution. That’s why it’s good we’re all talking about a solution.
But of course I will defend my solution. Or improve it if any others have suggestions.
but it is standard, that’s why it is available everywhere majorly.
The problem is that parents need to learn to utilize it and do at all costs to protect their children
it shouldn’t be the government, especially as @jonah already told you that lousy parents would’ve been saved with increasing to affordable housing, childcare and healthcare with education
I appreciate your efforts thinking this through.
If you look at e-ID systems, they would already do most of this, if not all of this. It’s simply a matter of the government offering an audited zero-knowledge proof authentication system. Trusting that a zero-knowledge proof system truly IS zero-knowledge is the only weak point.
It there but not enforced. By law. So, no penalties can occur until something bad happens to said child.
But that is the case do you really want The government making sure parents are putting the child or teen settings on by surveilling them.
If you do my approach then the devices are locked by the start in the parents set it up then the educators or people around them are the ones who report the issues. Not the government
This is the main problem I have, your proposals are overly punitive to noncompliant parents when there are a plethora of reasons that parents may not even need or want age verification systems in the first place.
I do not think it should be the government’s job to define the morals that parents should have and judge whether parents are good or bad. I do think it is the government’s job to provide resources to parents that enable them to be the best parents they can be.
Right now the government is massively failing parents at helping them manage technology in their children’s lives, and the solution is not to step in and take over the parent’s role here, it is to enable parents to effectively parent their children themselves.
I am trying to get the government off the morals The government’s not involved.
It would be the parents if they don’t set up a child or teen profile then that is the issue
The adults should still be able to provide which websites they go to but if they don’t set up the child or teen profile they should be penalized.
Yeah. That is the government getting involved with morals and parenting.
Maybe that’s fair, that’s another thing I considered as part of it, mandating parents to utilize these controls to ensure the child grows fairly or they would get abandoned and taken to child care elsewhere (I forgot the name in the US).
Or again, make awareness of this, in fact privacy advocate or not, raising awareness about tools and how to utilize them for kids is raising awareness, in fact I would bet it’s something ThePrivacyDad or similar could do. This also may prevent laws like age verification from passing and instead, increases awareness and potentially education on them. [which is more ideal than the latter, because as jonah said, there can be valid reasons for parents not needing to give parental controls to children]
{P.S. I’m surprised jonah has time today lol, unless…}
It would be a law that if they don’t set up a profile that is specifically made for children then yeah they’re not doing their parental duties.
Not about what websites they visit more about what profiles they use. Yeah if a porn site is whitelist that can be a penalty as in it is already illegal. Sex education sites are not illegal. As it is education. The laws and penalties are already there for websites in which websites children can access. But there is no law dictating which profiles children should be using on their devices.
My proposal is.
Child being the most restrictive. Everything is blacklisted until parents decide what can be whitelisted.
Teen being somwhat restricted but not fully restrictive. Some things are white listed already out of the box. Parents or Companies can decide that if they want. Not baked into law.
Adult unfeather access.
Other Parents and educators. Would be the ones who report if they see issues as in children just get the adult profile.
The government would not be surveilling you. It is other families who would not like what is going on. It would be up to the society to penalize you.
You do know local police is not government right they are local police.
There is State Police that is the state government.
Then there is federal agents like the FBI that are the federal government.
Firstly, this is still bad. But secondly and more importantly, if this is happening because of a government mandated system, then it is the government doing the penalization, just by proxy.
Not if it’s local law.
We have different laws federally, local, and state
https://study.com/academy/lesson/local-state-federal-ordinances-definitions-and-differences.html
These are all the government.