But @Script1743 said otherwise:
@Script1743 said that you couldn’t change the phone number you have used to verify your account, so using a temporary phone number was not a good idea, since you would be stuck with that phone number forever. Did I interpret his comment incorrectly?
I believe you can change your numbers. It would be foolish for Apple to not allow simple changes because people do change phone numbers when they travel and whatnot for extended periods of time.
I my experience, you can always change numbers after you’ve made your account and is fully functioning and verified. You can change it or would have an extremely difficult time changing it to a fake one so its just best to use whatever real number you have. Apple is actually good at storing your real numbers safely but who knows who they secretly share it with - I’m inclined to believe they don’t but NSA has long arms.
I totally agree, and my first comment on this post was saying the same thing
I replied to @Script1743’s comment, which said the opposite thing.
But you said my comment was irrelevant, and I don’t agree with you on that, I believe my comment is relevant.
I think one of us is misunderstanding the other.
You say you agree with me and yet you say that you could change or delete it after the account was made. But the point of the OG post and thread is to see if one could make an account to begin using it fully without a real number.
Ehh - either way I think we know what you can or can’t do with Apple creating account wise..
What do you mean?
@Script1743 said that users couldn’t change or delete the phone number after the account was made.
I said that users could change or delete the phone number after the account was made.
You said that users could change the phone number after the account was made (which is the same thing I said).
Is that what you said? Or did I get it wrong?
But I wasn’t reply to the OG post, I was replying to a comment, which mentions the ability to change or remove the phone number after the account is created. Am I not allowed to do that here?
That’s obvious, and that’s the point of my comment. My point is: I can change my phone number on an existing and verified account.
I understand that. But I wasn’t replying to the OG post. I was replying to this comment in the post particularly:
Then I may be misunderstanding what and how you meant. Let it go.
Privacy friendly according to whom? Apple marketing materials?
Privacy to an extent according to the general consensus among privacy advocates.
This thread seems to show otherwise (phone number required for accounts, blacklisting of VPNs, no options for anonymous payment, etc.)
That’s your assessment of very limited info (only this thread). If you are new to privacy and security, I do encourage you read up and keep learning, researching to see where Apple falls in the privacy and security realm in comparison to other tech products, services, software, etc.
I am not new to privacy and security. I run my own servers and only use FOSS operating systems so I couldn’t care less about Apple, but the faith people have in Apple is laughable.
Your implied superiority complex is palpable. Take it down a notch. Saying that doesn’t make you special.
Is there any way to create an Apple ID with a phone number, then add some other kind of 2FA method and remove the phone number later?
Better enable 2FA for security reason and also to not get asked for phone number
Apple is maybe slighter better then some other big tech, but most of their privacy image comes from marketing.
At the end of the day there are closed source , so we can’t check anything
This is not always a valid argument for reputable companies and their products for all that they have shown to be. iOS is not the best but it is the best mainstream option we have with decent privacy measures for the average person and threat model.
What I am wondering is the juice even worth the squeeze…
That is to say if you totally anonymized (sp)) and obsfucated your Apple ID credentials and creation how could it not become tied to your real identity given usage pattterns, location, etc…
Like Cupertino’s servers are gonna just add this note to your “alias/anon” Apple ID:
Name: John Bogus Doe—–>Real McCoy
Address: 123 Fake st.—–>456 Actual Ave
etc.
Am I missing something here?
(Oh, and hi, just signed up, meow)
I think you’re absolutely right, if you use an iPhone they will be able to figure out who you are eventually.
On the other hand, I don’t see why they HAVE to make a phone number mandatory (“so you don’t get locked out of your account”) when they can instead offer email 2FA or TOTP 2FA.
I think that GrapheneOS is, once installed, not harder to use in any way then iOS or Stock Android.