Damn, that’s a very detailed overview on the issue. Thanks for digging it up.
Though, this is getting off-topic at the same time topic related. Is there debian a distro based with kernel.org Kernels ?
I am looking forward to use a distro that has update cycle as Fedora, Community based, No-Snaps and is based on Debian. None seems to fit my case.
I was considering to switch from Fedora to Debian due to its LTS base and security patches only. As I get frustated by amount of updates in fedora. But this is changing my whole stance.
There is a mismatch between wanting latest kernel patches security and using debian. Debian philosophy fundamentally clashes with using latest kernels due to maintainability issues.
It may not be actionable by users or developers. Stable kernels from kernel.org are not packaged for Debian. Even if they were, they are probably not suitable for installation by default due to issues with maintainability. (Source: Kicksecure Wiki)
If you want latest patches and updated kernels, fedora is the best choice tbh, maybe followed by openSUSE TW. Do note that Fedora follows stable and not latest, but you can switch to Fedora Rawhide to get the bleeding edge kernels and patches. But expect a bunch of updates
The problem for me is using a Debian based ones, not exactly debian. Debian project is cool. I am trying find a distro that is not ubuntu and is like Fedora’s release cycle but a debian distro.
I am vouching for debian as most apps, are in .deb format. I really hate AppImage. I mean it’s useful when needed across multiple system during work. But not when I am trying to install an app that will be used by me on a daily basis.
I tried distrobox. But, there are apps, that are broken due to non-connectivity of Browser extensions and isolation of apps installed in distrobox.
A cursory search about bleeding edge Debian distros does not yield too many favorable answers. How about using a VM? But if the problem is interdependence, then VM will be worse than distrobox. If there are specific apps you are willing to disclose, it would be easier to suggest specific solutions.
I also hate AppImage .As for the apps in .deb form, I think you can probably find rpms for most of them too, unless the app you use is super niche. Would also be better to use RPM instead of deb in my personal opinion (reason)
Those are distros, that I cannot rely on. Actually none fits my thought. Only Debian. As it’s the one truly backed by community. Fedora/SUSE are community backed too but there is still a company behind it and rolling. So, it’s getting yicky for me.
I actually made my mind that it would be better to use Debian. Considering that, I won’t be interested in updates and new features rather a system that gets critical security updates and big feature updates once in a while. But these posts are changing my mind.
I dislike landscapes changing very soon. I liked it before but not now.
The app in question is freedownloadmanager, It’s the only best free download manager available with great browser integration.
I just can’t connect the app inside distrobox to the extension on the host.
It depends on the company like if it is redhat or suse.
It is ok to use there kernel as they don’t use lts mostly but provide regular security patches and other enhancement to there version of kernel.
The reason companies use redhat or suse.
But for home users it is recommended to use something like non lts or if wanted they can use lts but that should not be older than a couple of release like now it is 6.10 you can get 6.6 or 6.1 happyly
I am using Fedora 40, KDE version. Problem is insane amount of updates. And apps that I wanna use are mostly available but still some are AppImages or Community maintianed Flatpaks.
I want to use a Debian based distro that .deb packages. Since almost everything is available in that package format and I want to stick to official package rather than community maintained at the most.
Arch, I don’t wanna lose some chapters of my life to it.
Just some .deb with KDE. These updates cycle is making me confuse. Should I still stay in Fedora or jump to debian which is based on LTS.
For me, KDE is better as of now. DE isn’t my problem, the Core OS is.
deb feels great but nothing is rolling except Ubuntu which I don’t wanna touch. LTS or Rolling. I feel LTS to be great. But I still wanna use it but people say not every patch is applied to it which pushes me away from debian.
I ain’t trusting Private companies at all recently. So it’s hard to make a decision.
archinstall is mostly stable. Sometimes it makes a broken install. But yeah, Arch, Fedora, and SUSE Tumbleweed are the only traditional distros with decent close-to-upstream packages from what I can tell
Hmmm. @gregandcin , @SkewedZeppelin what do you think about Void Linux? It supports both SELinux and AppArmor, and avoids systemd, though it doesn’t look like they ship linux-hardened in the main repos.
Void is a much smaller community compared to the ones we have mentioned. If you want to use anything but the upstream kernel, you will have to install your own kernel. Not my favorite, but if you know how to admin a Linux system then I guess its fine
archinstall is terrible. It crashed every single time I tried it. I switched to EndeavourOS, which has an actually working installer and provides a reasonable starting point for a non-bloated Arch distro.
I like Void and have been using it for a couple years. I’m an Ubuntu then Arch convert. I’m not using it for privacy; I just like how the project is run and it’s relatively drama free.
The void-packages repo on github maintains a couple other kernels. Rough count, 8 different versioned kernel.org lines. Many other popular projects that aren’t in the main Void repos can be found there.
Not an end user distro, but an experienced linux user could use it as an end user.
I just feel Debian to be great for my use case but haven’t migrated to it and was firm on the decision. Due to data transition and Backup. But as I said, the recent post has changed my whole stance, should I go with debian as
Is staying in the stable/latest release of kernel, really that much important ?
Probably not. Latest kernel sometimes ships new features that you probably won’t be able to take advantage of until Debian updates your applications to be compatible with these new features.
To provide users with the absolute latest in features and hardware support, Ubuntu will now ship the absolute latest available version of the upstream Linux kernel at the specified Ubuntu release freeze date, even if upstream is still in Release Candidate (RC) status.
Other than that, I’m unaware of any Debian-based distro that does what you ask. Ubuntu or Testing/Sid are the only relatively popular distros I know of that try to go faster than the usual Stable release cycle.
Edit: Should also mention that I imagine the perceived disadvantage of the ‘stable release’ distros go further than just the kernel.
And I know that we’re on PG, but you could consider the ‘harm’ from using a slower distro to be of less impact on your life than that brought by using a non-Debian distro.
.As for the apps in .deb form, I think you can probably find rpms for most of them too, unless the app you use is super niche. Would also be better to use RPM instead of deb in my personal opinion (