Nobara has some security regressions compared to its upstream (Fedora) from what I recall. I don’t think Nobara supports secure boot and I vaguely recall selinux may be disabled as well.
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But Nobara switched to AppArmor? Bluefin had some issues with SELinux, never looked into why they decided their security improvements require SELinux mitigation, something about UIDs, IDK… I run several Podman containers and Podman relies on SELinux to run rootless. Also I prefer not adding unneeded complexity and keep it simple haha.
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All of that jargon is beyond simple to me lol
Who is Linux for though? It seems you need a computer science degree to even bother using it, hence, why it is so niche. Should I use Linux or will it make my life a pain compared to Windows (which I already hate).
If Linux has quick and simple documentation, making my understanding of computers better, than I may consider using it. Because Windows is a crap fest, it is simultaneously complicated and designed for basic people to use, so nothing makes sense. If Linux is more efficient to use, no need to do tasks and learn things more than once, than I might use it
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True nobara does not make that sense and this is really a big compromise.
Same for windows if you want to use windows you need a degree in cyber security cause you need to disable edge start menu ads analytics everywhere virus malware Trojan Microsofts own key logger which logs every thing you type from bank details to personal chats all will be key logged and sent to Microsoft.
If you want to use linux ubuntu is a good way to start. If you want fedora is also something good.
I definitely agree, hardening Windows is a nightmare, but I am talking more so about basic operation. How does basic operation compare between Windows and Linux. I am all for understanding how things work by doing them manually, but after this the most automated system wins in my books. From my knowledge I know you can automate the heck out of Linux but the learning curve idk
If i am talking about basic options i. My usecase i only need a browser some basic office stuff which libre office does well for browser brave and firefox is good.
And some basic photo edit gimp does this well and sometimes i watch movies also that is also fine.
I have mac and linux system for mac it is a mac mini m2 and for laptop i have a ryzen system running fedora silverblue.which works well for me never find any issue i just installed and running it like my mac.
And recently i have install asahi on my mac just to see how it works that was also works. I mostly use my laptop now a days i am playing some basic games also which is also not an issue for me. I don’t find anything with the os as such. What i want is a oparating system which helps me do my own stuff instead of show me ads collects every i type and i am always in fear that maybe i will be infected if. I open a email or something.
I hate windows 11. Windows 10 was good before that windows 7 was good. And i am against this idea that i will pay for a os still i am the product for Android i dont need to pay so they collect data that is ok still android dont force to use chrome but windows does if you chnage to chrome in windows with in a month you will be switched back to edge with windows update.
In linux you are secure because of snap and flatpak you can install apps just search for that app in app store and install like android.
You don’t need to search from internet and installed a malicious app by mistake.
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And talking about learning cruve yes it have
It is same as going from windows 10 to windows 11 everything changed you need to learn all again.
When i switch from android to iphone there was also a learning cruve but that was the fun.
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Oh boy you’re in multiple threads spewing this shit huh?
For anyone playing along at home, this user and half the internet call MS’s stupid “inking and typing personalisation” feature (which you can turn off and iirc in win11 has to be set to on or off during first time setup) a keylogger, which like, sure yeah it could be considered one but just saying WOW KEYLOGGER ZOMG doesn’t actually explain the what and how.
And notably, you can turn it off, because big businesses would tear MS a new asshole if you couldn’t.
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Ohhh you seems like a ms agent or something.
oh no I don’t share the same opinion as you, I must be an agent of [big company] 
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Yes you know that if talking about big tech apple is far better when it comes to security and privacy you know windows collects everything you type from password to messgaes.
you said something not negative about Apple, so I think by your logic that makes you an Apple agent, right?
No i said apple is far far better than what windows or Microsoft offers.
Microsoft takes money for windows and track users show ads on home screen start screen key log etc
But apple takes your money but does not do stuff like that.
Still if someone wants linux still a better option for regular users.
Now you’re just stringing random buzzwords together and going even further left-field.
Yeah, and to get back to the actual topic rather than randomly shitting on big tech when it’s not relevant, I’d say Ubuntu non-LTS is pretty okay in terms of security for regular users primarily because of the plentiful support due to being more widely used as someone has previously mentioned.
And really, I would honestly say that basically any distro that isn’t built by John Random in his mum’s basement and supports secure boot, has some sort of application sandboxing (snap, flatpak), and isn’t ancient (cough debian cough) is generally going to be Secure Enough™️ for general low-risk computer users who just want more privacy. It’s only when you start being targeted specifically that the risk increases and you really want to be going beyond just the criteria I listed and doing stuff like VM spam on Windows/macOS or Qubes and so on.
Have been using both (Ubuntu and Fedora) for quite some time (like 10+ years) in various configs (dual/multiple boot, standalone, netboot, etc) and various hardware (PC’s, latops, servers) and so I think Im entitled to say with some high degree of certainty/expertise, what I think.
Answering @TheDoc question, I think that there is no single answer to this question: it depends on many factors like type of (forecasted) usage, your habbits, your needs, wether it will be with or without DE (desktop vs server), your level of expertise in usage/administering, etc.
Generally speaking:
- if your level of expertise in Linux-world is low/moderate, or you dont want to tinker with distro; you need distro that just works OOTB and is secured solidly, go with
Ubuntu. - if your level of expertise is moderate/high, and you want balance betwen ease of use and tinkering, go with Fedora. Its extremely well balanced distro, but not for newbies (it has Ubuntu stability mixed with “unpredictability” of more advanced distros like Arch/Gentoo/Slack etc),
- if you really know what you are doing, go with AlmaLinux. Its great distro, but “it has its needs”… (if you @TheDoc want to test-out Alma on real server hardware (not VM, full physical server machine), just send me a PM, will arrange account for you)
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Hyperbole aside, you’re kinda right. Aside from ChromeOS, SteamOS, and most versions of Android (which are proprietary and privacy-invasive, and thus irrelevant here), using Linux may require you to spend a lot of time learning about IT and researching/implementing fixes, workarounds, etc.
The only safe exception I could think of is if you had someone who didn’t care all too much about security and ran a “just works” distribution like Linux Mint or Pop!_OS on hardware made to support Linux, only for them to only ever need to use their web browser and maybe some electron applications. But if you’re looking to do anything else on your computer or if you’re looking to ensure you have a somewhat secure system, it can become real inaccessible real quick.
I know some Linux fanboys hate hearing that Linux is hard, but I think the market share speaks for itself. Don’t get me wrong, I wish it weren’t that way, but it is. Pretending it isn’t an issue will only prolong potential Linux adoption on desktop.
One of the biggest issues with Linux operating systems has got to be fragmentation IMO. While I think hobbyists and people with special use cases should have the distro that’s best suited for them, when we need a desktop operating system for the general public, there really should only be one main option. There aren’t a thousand different “Windows/macOS distributions” maintained by different organizations or random people. There’s just Windows/macOS maintained by Microsoft/Apple which only have a tiny bit of variety as users can (sometimes) pick which version or edition of the OS they want to run.
On Linux, there’s no one place to go if you want to use it. There are tons of different components developed by tons of different people/organizations with tons of different combinations of various components, sometimes even with different kernels that are based on Linux. Furthermore, there isn’t really one place to go for documentation or support. Not to mention the nearly non-existent paid support available for users… Not to mention the tiny selection of manufacturers who provide devices meant to run Linux. (Who in my experience, can sometimes have really shitty track records or customer support.)
There are many reasons as to why Linux came to be this way, but strictly from a technical perspective and looking at what’s available today, it’s an extremely inaccessible or unappealing option for many people. Unfortunately, I don’t see that changing all too much in the foreseeable future.
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Interesting, the thing I love about Linux the most, and what I see as it’s greatest potential is how lightweight it is. It removes a lot of unnecessary scripts which when multiplied by millions of devices running these garbage piles (proprietary OS’s), have enormous energy and environmental costs. I find it crazy that people aren’t addressing how bad Windows and macOS are for the environment, which is a huge deal.
I see fragmentation as an overall positive, especially because adding customisation within a single OS requires more scripts and thus, siphons more energy when it is ran on a computer. I also definitely think there is such thing as the perfect OS which has the best balance of everything, that can be shipped in variations.
My question is Ubuntu seems to be the greatest out of the box, are the issues you mentioned still applicable to Ubuntu, namely installing applications. This should NOT be an issue, but from what you said it seems to be on Linux.
Makes it easy to choose a device for me then. Also, can’t you put Linux on everything and run better than Windows?
Not trying to defend Linux but just asking?
You are wrong here tell me one brand that run by a non profit and cannot push it or give advertisement on internet and still have a chunk of the pie
For windows they give millions of $ to the companies to not produce devices other than Windows.
This is not google is the only and best search engine still google pays millions to keep google default search in apple devices.
Linux bsd this are not from a company. That is the only reason you can’t get the number high you can’t buy a well known brand linux laptop.
Where as i use linux on my company lenovo they don’t produce this devices for retail where as they give devices to us. They also provide support for it.