Claims made by forensics companies, their capabilities, and how GrapheneOS fares

I honestly don’t think anyone is discrediting you, :slight_smile: you still have the badge. Double title would make sense in your case, because I also think it is important that your affiliation with grapheneos is clear to everyone, probably more important even, not sure if double titles like that are possible but i am sure it can be figured out.

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Changing it right after I replied on this thread is interesting timing. I never asked for “Former team member” to be attributed to me, but for it to be replaced right now feels very conveniently timed, and I would like for past affiliation with this project to be clear to people who are seeing me respond here and elsewhere.

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Understand you feel that way, but honestly think it was just to flag your affiliation so that people know. I am sure we can fix it so that you get both titles in some way. :slight_smile:

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A new title was obviously made for this, as I don’t assume it existed previously. A title containing both things would solve this, I think. :slight_smile:

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it’s a custom title set for people with developer / verified status badges. I don’t think there was a thought behind it but surely understand that you perceived it as something been taken away, not intentionally tho. I’ll ask @jonah to get you both, dw :slight_smile:

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I don’t see how that’s related to marketing

There’s speculation that there are NSA agitators trying to shift discourse online, that’s far more relevant than thinkpieces or marketing from different publications – heck, I myself got called an NSA plant for advocating for proper threat modelling and risk analysis over in the PG matrix rooms :rofl:

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I think that this is defeatism.

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Others have a checkmark, and their status is on a colored background. That is not the case here, which is weird.

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Good catch, but probably just done quickly to show the relationship, Jonah is currently on a trip as was said in his podcast. Don’t think you should seek to much behind it is all I am saying.

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What podcast?

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I think that @ph00lt0 is mentioning the Privacy and Security Q&A livestreams, usually hosted by Henry Fisher and Jonah Aragon, published in both Youtube and Peertube in the Techlore channel.

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Doubling down by attributing a specific person to a project post, doubling down on the claim that what GrapheneOS was doing was “marketing to criminals” and not taking back the statement that was dismantled by other forum members minutes after it was posted isn’t a good look.

If you’re going to try to claim that you weren’t saying that GrapheneOS is trying to market to criminals, then what is that post even about in the context of the OP?

If you’re going to claim that this is what GrapheneOS is doing, you’re going to need clearly show where that has taken place. No, Cellebrite does not only sell to law enforcement. No, even if that was the case, that doesn’t mean the person being prosecuted is guilty. Yes, exploits existing at all can lead to people who are completely innocent being harmed and projects focused on privacy and security should be trying to constantly improve and take care of them. Yes, everyone deserves privacy and security, but you have a very weird way of showing it when making the claims that you are.

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the lesson I learn from this thread :

turn off your computer

move to a desert

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You have learned the wrong lesson.

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so is it analog computing time?

The lesson is: use GrapheneOS, and if you ever do marketing, don’t do it like Cellebrite.

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Nobody here is trying to start anything. Lets just drop this and move on, you don’t see us lashing out about previous claims and attacks Graphene OS has made about our project, it is not in anyone’s interest, and we both want the same thing in the end: help people.

In any case, this topic has been discussed for long enough now, I don’t see anything productive sprouting from it anymore, so ill be closing it.

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And other species too.

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Despite it being obvious because you have the team member badge prominently displayed on your profile card, this is done :+1:

Titles for project-affiliated forum members are always mandatory actually, but I’m happy to make the title say whatever that member wants want as long as it is still clear.

It’s honestly a lot more embarrassing if it is a project post from GrapheneOS. Since it is obviously written by a specific project member, I’d prefer to spare GrapheneOS the embarrassment, since many people like myself still respect the project, despite their social media presence.

I’ll consider clarifying further after Daniel Micay deletes all of his embarrassing (for him) posts on Twitter and Mastodon about me he’s made over the past few years, to demonstrate he’s capable of understanding. In the meantime it is very clear that everyone operating in good faith knows what I meant, and everyone operating in bad faith is not worth my time any further :slight_smile:

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