Brave partners with war-crime accused Eric Prince UP phone company

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Biggest L in 2024?

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Promoting what?

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War crimes phone.

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Relevant thread from the GrapheneOS team.

It’s disappointing that these scammers are able to secure funding more easily than GrapheneOS, which genuinely cares and is unmatched in its privacy and security improvements.

Surprisingly decent article, though they really gloss over GrapheneOS and incorrectly call the iPhone the most secure consumer device.

It’s like Unplugged thinks they are in a James Bond movie lol.

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:rofl:

By what metric?

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To be fair, GrapheneOS is categorically not a “Consumer Device” (or any kind of device whatsoever)

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I would have called it one, too, at least a consumer OS

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What are the war crimes?

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I mean, I understand the concern, but at the same time plenty of companies have deal directly with US military. Here we are talking about the **Fmr. Blackwater CEO phone company ** being paid (I guess) to include a private browser.

I wouldn’t say this is ethical, but this isn’t encouraging war crime either.

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Google Pixel is a consumer device.

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Okay, let’s forget the war crimes. That phone still sucks, which is a bad look for Brave.

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Some people here don’t seem to get it yet.
It doesn’t matter if this shady war criminal promises some privacy as a “Trust me bro” business model. It doesn’t matter if they have one or two nice privacy features. Why would anyone only from a privacy and security perspective even want to get a shady phone from them, if there are extremely good established Recommendations out there like Graphenos. And yes, If you dom’t like Graphenos because of some of their bad communication practices in the past, then just use CalyxOS or Divest.
Most of these new discussions about new services here are meaningless.
Most discussions are like this: “Hey, I have found this completely new company which promises all these things. I am too lazy to check the criteria, comparison and funding myself. What do you think?”

Most of the times the answer is: "Most is just marketing and promises which haven’t been fulfilled yet. They have no track record and the team is not known. It’s financed by a yield driven venture capital fund. They have one or two nice features, but that’s not worth risking privacy and security for. Use the recommended tools which don’t have all these big red flags and which work well. "

Don’t get me wrong: It’s okay and important to discuss new stuff, but first do your own research and think about it yourself before asking. Most of these questions can be answered very quickly by simply using a search engine.

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I am really disappointed in Brave. Why would you promote such shady companies run by war criminals.

I know that the view in the US about military contractors are maybe different, but the facts are clear.

Blackwater is a military contractor which murdered, killed, tortured and raped hundreds or maybe even thousands of completely innocent civilians which happened to live in the wrong country at the wrong time and had no protection.
To my knowledge nobody was ever brought to justice for the war crimes.

How would you trust somebody who run this murder company?
Why?

Is it too much to “google” a name real quick?
For Brave propably Yes.

I don’t want to search for 10 Links to spam them here, but just do a quick search for Blackwater and you find plenty of sources for what I wrote.

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Brave has always looked bad, since when it first came out with all the crypto junk that is built into it, not paying people their crypto etc. This doesn’t make it any worse.

You gotta admit, that slide is very pretty though :smiley:

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It’s also one of those “secure/private” (and sometimes “open”) phones using MediaTek too. It keeps happening even though, it is not the most secure nor private nor open source SoC

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Eh, iPhones and Pixels are equivalent in security. You could chose specific attack vectors to make one look better than the other but neither really has a case over the other.

And that’s kinda a good thing. It means some of the most popular and easy to purchase phones are also pretty secure out of the box.

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I think the war crimes thing might refer to this


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Big difference between doing that and supporting people with actual crimes against humanity I would think. Brave was fine before with minor hiccups, this is supporting plain evil.

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“Government-grade encryption” :rofl:

Is this the new thing to replace the term “military-grade encryption” that VPNs claim in their marketing?

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I’m not defending Brave but It’s business, and this doesn’t affect their product directly (unlike some of the other things I mentioned). Many companies have ties to the US government/military.