Edit: Jonah responded.
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Hey, we appreciate the time you put into it. I saw @ph00lt0 made some suggestions and I was waiting for those to get resolved before I took a look at it. Would be happy to look at it again after that! Just didn’t want to have overlapping suggestions
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Thank you for the answer. I appreciate it. I already answered his remarks. But let me know if there is anything else I could improve.
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Sure thing
Just hopping in on the rejecting part, some of team members reject them by default as there have been instances of team members being invited into rooms where gore/CSAM images where being shared as a form of trolling. It is truly not because they want to ignore you.
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I’m against this. AI has been harmful to society. Instead of looking for alternatives we should question whether we even need this. We were all fine without AI chat tools for centuries. Why do we suddenly need it now?
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Got it. I hope you are right.
Like any technology it has it’s pro and cons. But we can’t deny the enormous benefit it has provided , such as tutoring/concept explaining. I personnaly use it all the time for that and super helpful.
Well, I guess we were all fine without smartphones, Internet, TV for centuries. And you do not need it, it’s just very convenient. And typycally, Privacy Guides has not beem about privacy minimalism (though it would be interesting), ie refusing to use a tech cause it is privacy-invasivs. i.e. PG recommends Private Email, Private Smartphones, Private Cloud – even though you could argue all those are inherently insecure/privacy-invasive. But most people aren’t going to just stop using technology, so you better teach them on how to do it in a safe and private mabner.
BTW, the recommendation do acknowledge the ethical concerns. If you would like anything more added we could.
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The internet has been incredibly harmful to your society, especially our mental health, etc. We didn’t need the internet or smart devices for most of our existence, do we really need them now? I think we should refuse the internet.
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We were fine without cars, planes or computers for centuries, so what?
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@fria this is just to let you know I commited many of your requested changes, and commented others
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Your PR is a challenge to review because it has a very large scope. I’ve split it into two so that we can get as much of your work on the website as quickly as possible. The first one I think we will be able to merge this week:
The second one with DDG/Brave may take longer:
I think our position on non-local AI needs to be more well thought out before we can recommend anything like that, especially without E2EE.
It’s not true, Privacy Guides has 8 reviewers.
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I’ll add that personally, I don’t think we should recommend any cloud-based AI services while the industry is so young, and I think we should close #2811 without merging it.
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I’ll agree with that. Once it’s going to the cloud it’s out of your hands, and it inherently can’t be E2EE because they need to process the query. Doesn’t make much sense to recommend cloud-based services when AI models exist that can be run fully locally.
I’d never say never when people are working on things like homomorphic encryption and private cloud compute, but certainly not in any current mainstream products.
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Disagree. Not everyone wants to run a local AI or is able to (e.g. mobile users). Also Brave Leo is able to include web results so it is aware of new things that have happened recently. That’s extremely useful.
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Another thought: isn’t that exactly the same as with search? You have to look at their privacy policy and then trust that they actually follow it. So if we’re happy to recommend DuckduckGo and Brave Search for search, why not for AI?
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As said by @Regime6045 , it is the same as search engines. And not providing this will mean the billions that don’t have a PC , or a PC with enough RAM (8GB) can’t use it.
So this is very much harm minimization, if people are going to use AI anyway and can’t use local AI, then they better use one of those providers.
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Github said “code-owner Jonah need to approve the changes”. I believe this is because I had to modify a build file to actually add the category to the sidebar.
Let’s just not use words that have a different meaning? Chatbots are not “aware” they can at best get the search result from an index. Awareness and other terms are uniquely “life-suggesting”, and contrary to what people would like you to believe, Chatbots are not even close to our understanding of awareness.
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I’m not sure if it has been mentioned already, but the Brave Browser on desktop allows you to connect to a local Ollama model instead of their online models, and you can use your local model in the sidebar to summarize webpages etc. It’s proved quite useful actually. Perhaps you could add this to the recommendations?
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